Poll
Question:
Bathtub Gin Bracket
Option 1: (2) 08-13-1993 - Murat Theatre - Indianapolis, IN
votes: 14
Option 2: (3) 08-17-1997 - The Great Went - Limestone, ME
votes: 6
Round #1 - Bathtub Gin Bracket
(2) 08-13-1993 - Murat Theatre - Indianapolis, IN
vs.
(3) 08-17-1997 - The Great Went - Limestone, ME
POLL CLOSE: Tuesday, 7/24, 10pm EST
Murat
Murat. Not only was it my phirst show, but the jam is just so different from anything else. From this night on I was 'riding in the bathtub' with the boys from Vermont and I've completely loved the ride.
Definitely Murat.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on July 16, 2012, 11:47:33 AM
Definitely Murat.
Agreed. But the went gin is no slouch either.
While I love the Went Gin for being there it's really no contest for me...Murat.
Murat by a mile for me. The Went Gin, while good, is kind of overrated IMO.
Quote from: Hicks on July 16, 2012, 01:14:30 PM
The Went Gin, while good, is kind of overrated IMO.
agreed, its a rock peak, Gin peak if you will. its for the shred-heads.
Murat.... It's just bursting with so much energy that Gin itself can't contain it... at all.
Quote from: Hicks on July 16, 2012, 01:14:30 PM
The Went Gin, while good, is kind of overrated IMO.
Funny, I've always thought that about Murat (/blasphemy). I mean, the sheer level of musicianship is unbelievable, the way they move in and out of themes in unison is simply stunning. But it always seemed to me to lack the coherence that some of the other great August '93 jams had holding them together. And when they start to segue into Ya Mar, I always feel like the jam has not yet reached its conclusion (the original ripcord, if you will). It's rightfully a historical version, but it's just not one I reach for all that often.
The Went Gin, on the other hand, gets me moving a lot more. Yes, susep's right, it's rawk peaky, but in a much groovier fashion. And I'm with Hicks that it's a bit overhyped and actually I didn't have either of these on my list. Still, when they start up the theme to the final peak ~7:30, I can't help my head from bopping. So, reluctantly, I Went Gin.
Just gave the Murat another listen. Win, win, win. From the very second the jam starts they are killing it. Love the weird dissonance they used to have in Gin jams... wonder if they'll ever bring that back? I'm thinking "no" is a safe bet.
The second go around at the peak (10-12 min or so) is some of the most perfectly raging phish EVER, imo. The peak at 11:52 and building tension leading to it is flawless. Phish at it's absolute best, imo.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on July 17, 2012, 12:17:53 AM
...raging phish EVER, imo. The peak at 11:52...
Hawt Sheet there folks...
Terry
I've listened to the Went Gin probably 100x more than the Murat Gin.
Quote from: danje on July 17, 2012, 12:29:02 AM
I've listened to the Went Gin probably 100x more than the Murat Gin.
The thing I like about the Went Gin is that it is just one big, slow build. So patient and soooo gradual, yet keeps your attention the whole time. 7:45 -> the peak is basically perfect Phish, imo.
It sort of surprises me how Fishman jumps to the ride very early in the jam, yet the jam still builds for a long time w/o making that change again
This is a very tough one. The Went Gin has been one of my favorite, go-to jams for a long time. I agree fully with this:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on July 17, 2012, 12:46:51 AM
The thing I like about the Went Gin is that it is just one big, slow build. So patient and soooo gradual, yet keeps your attention the whole time. 7:45 -> the peak is basically perfect Phish, imo.
There are certain jams that, even apart from their objective level of quality perhaps, I connect with a little more deeply than others. I think the Went Gin, for me, is just so achingly good on such a satisfying level.
However....
The Murat Gin is a great paradigm of what Phish used to be able to do, uniquely, and do so well. I love the vocal scatting in the first jam segment. Goes briefly back into a Gin reprise and then seamlessly into some type II playfulness that they steer right into that first blissful segment. Trey starts playing Weekapaug while the others push the jam higher. Mike's lines as the jam plateaus here are terrific. By 10:00 it's wound back down into the Gin "ending" and then they just pick it right back up immediately, even more furious than before. Mike and Page at work. Machine-gun melodic work from Trey (astounding!). Even the come-down features inventive playing and a LEO! moment. The Ya Mar segue might have seemed abrupt if not for how fully satisfying the 15 minutes before it were. You don't feel shorted at all.
I would vote Went Gin over plenty of other jams... but Murat gets my nod.
Murat wins
In all honesty, I was at the Went Gin, and I have never understood the affinity to it. Sure, it is 1997, only the second festi, summer 1997 - especially the US part - is way fucking underrated for those that like "Phish in a lab" type playing (i.e. much more of a transition type period than Fall 1996), but....
Murat was in 1993, much ahead of its time.
Is the Went Gin popular because a lot of people on this board went to the Went?
Either way, neither overtakes Atlanta 2000 :evil:
I love this game :wink:
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on July 24, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
Either way, neither overtakes Atlanta 2000 :evil:
I love this game :wink:
k now, I'm calling shenanigans, gainesville is making up rules again.
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on July 24, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
Either way, neither overtakes Atlanta 2000 :evil:
A fine Gin... but a mere warmup for Holmdel five days later.
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on July 25, 2012, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on July 24, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
Either way, neither overtakes Atlanta 2000 :evil:
A fine Gin... but a mere warmup for Holmdel five days later.
Heh, was gonna say the same thing. If we are talking Summer 2000 Gins, Holmdel is the obvious standout.