Furthur

[Superfreakie]

I'm pretty sure there was some sarcasm in that Jerry statement....I remember reading that long ago.

I'd have to agree with this.  There are certain aspects of Jerry's playing that reflect the influence of Miles.  The way he holds a note like Miles holds a note. 

On a kind of a related note, there a few interviews with Duane Allman where he cites Miles as a huge influence on his playing.

Of all the jazz players, Ornette Coleman might of had one of the greatest impacts on Jerry's borrowing from jazz. Especially the 1960 album Free Jazz. Birdsong's jam in the later GD era borrowed heavily from Ornette's voice.

[sls.stormyrider]

I'm pretty sure there was some sarcasm in that Jerry statement....I remember reading that long ago.

yea, that had to be sarcastic

I'm pretty sure there was some sarcasm in that Jerry statement....I remember reading that long ago.

I'd have to agree with this.  There are certain aspects of Jerry's playing that reflect the influence of Miles.  The way he holds a note like Miles holds a note. 

On a kind of a related note, there a few interviews with Duane Allman where he cites Miles as a huge influence on his playing.

Of all the jazz players, Ornette Coleman might of had one of the greatest impacts on Jerry's borrowing from jazz. Especially the 1960 album Free Jazz. Birdsong's jam in the later GD era borrowed heavily from Ornette's voice.

No doubt Ornette, Bird, Miles, and Trane influenced Jerry in a big way. You're right though, I bet the feeling of "timeless" music is probably from Ornette (at least partially)
the fact that Jerry actually played on one of Ornette's albums shows that the respect was mutual

Miles also gave Jerry props in his autobiography

[guyforget]

i dont remember reading it as sarcasm, i just thought he was implying that w/ the midi guitar, he could sound like a great fucking trumpet player.  not that he played an actual trumpet.  i thought i remembered the whole context being around the midi guitar. 

[Superfreakie]

i dont remember reading it as sarcasm, i just thought he was implying that w/ the midi guitar, he could sound like a great fucking trumpet player.  not that he played an actual trumpet.  i thought i remembered the whole context being around the midi guitar.

The GD were innovators in MIDI's infancy and yes, that is what Jerry was talking seriously about. But I still believe that the statement had sarcasm in it. I sat through some of those MIDI experiments and trust me, it did not sound like great trumpet and I'm pretty sure Jerry wasn't deaf. In fact one of the principal reasons why I dislike the late 80's and 90's is because of those MIDI "experiments". But who knows, detecting sarcasm in print is difficult.

[guyforget]

definitely the midi on stage w/ the grateful dead was painful at times

but i bet sitting around doing nothing, it could be pretty fun to try to make yourself sound like some of the great trumpet players, which i dont doubt that jerry could pull off every now and again...

thats not to say that the remark wasnt sarcasm, just saying im sure sometimes jerry surprised even himself

[sls.stormyrider]

just saying im sure sometimes jerry surprised even himself

he probably did.

based on everything I've ever read about Jerry, every interview I've seen and read, he seemed like a pretty self effacing guy who didn't to take himself or his role in musical culture or history too seriously. I can hear him saying that comment and then laughing after saying it.

Miles, on the other hand...

[Hicks]

Yeah I remember reading an interview with him where he said he always thought that he was "getting away with something" to have enjoyed the level of popularity that the GD enjoyed.  Of course he may have been just referring to Bobby's guitar playing.   

:opens a whole new can of worms::   :evil:

[Superfreakie]

Of course he may have been just referring to Bobby's slide guitar playing.   

fyp :-D

[blatboom]

yeah I think the whole point of the author (whoever it was--I'm almost positive it was an RS article) mentioning the trumpet player exchange was that Jerry was dead serious.  not that he was being arrogant, but just confident in his MIDI abilities.  I really don't think Miles Davis had anything to do with it...  fuck, now I'm gonna have to find the article

[blatboom]

okay so we were all sorta right  :-D


page 19 of the Rolling Stone Garcia book, in a chapter written by Mikal Gilmore.  the quote is attributed to John Barlow

"It made me sad to see that, because I wanted him to be able to appreciate, in some detached way, his own marvel," Barlow says .... "About the most he would say for himself was that he was a competent musician.  But he would say that.  I remember one time he started experimenting with MIDI; he was using all these MIDI-sampled trumpet sounds.  And he started playing that on his guitar, and he sounded like Miles Davis, only better.  I went up to him the first time I ever heard him do it, and I said, 'You could have been a great fucking trumpet player.'  And he looked at me and said, 'I am a great fucking trumpet player.' So he knew."

[mattstick]

[Superfreakie]

okay so we were all sorta right  :-D


page 19 of the Rolling Stone Garcia book, in a chapter written by Mikal Gilmore.  the quote is attributed to John Barlow

"It made me sad to see that, because I wanted him to be able to appreciate, in some detached way, his own marvel," Barlow says .... "About the most he would say for himself was that he was a competent musician.  But he would say that.  I remember one time he started experimenting with MIDI; he was using all these MIDI-sampled trumpet sounds.  And he started playing that on his guitar, and he sounded like Miles Davis, only better.  I went up to him the first time I ever heard him do it, and I said, 'You could have been a great fucking trumpet player.'  And he looked at me and said, 'I am a great fucking trumpet player.' So he knew."

roflmao.....

[JPhishman]

okay so we were all sorta right  :-D


page 19 of the Rolling Stone Garcia book, in a chapter written by Mikal Gilmore.  the quote is attributed to John Barlow

"It made me sad to see that, because I wanted him to be able to appreciate, in some detached way, his own marvel," Barlow says .... "About the most he would say for himself was that he was a competent musician.  But he would say that.  I remember one time he started experimenting with MIDI; he was using all these MIDI-sampled trumpet sounds.  And he started playing that on his guitar, and he sounded like Miles Davis, only better.  I went up to him the first time I ever heard him do it, and I said, 'You could have been a great fucking trumpet player.'  And he looked at me and said, 'I am a great fucking trumpet player.' So he knew."

[WhatstheUse?]

okay so we were all sorta right  :-D


page 19 of the Rolling Stone Garcia book, in a chapter written by Mikal Gilmore.  the quote is attributed to John Barlow

"It made me sad to see that, because I wanted him to be able to appreciate, in some detached way, his own marvel," Barlow says .... "About the most he would say for himself was that he was a competent musician.  But he would say that.  I remember one time he started experimenting with MIDI; he was using all these MIDI-sampled trumpet sounds.  And he started playing that on his guitar, and he sounded like Miles Davis, only better.  I went up to him the first time I ever heard him do it, and I said, 'You could have been a great fucking trumpet player.'  And he looked at me and said, 'I am a great fucking trumpet player.' So he knew."

lol, leave it to Blatboom --- good work fella!

[sophist]

okay so we were all sorta right  :-D


page 19 of the Rolling Stone Garcia book, in a chapter written by Mikal Gilmore.  the quote is attributed to John Barlow

"It made me sad to see that, because I wanted him to be able to appreciate, in some detached way, his own marvel," Barlow says .... "About the most he would say for himself was that he was a competent musician.  But he would say that.  I remember one time he started experimenting with MIDI; he was using all these MIDI-sampled trumpet sounds.  And he started playing that on his guitar, and he sounded like Miles Davis, only better.  I went up to him the first time I ever heard him do it, and I said, 'You could have been a great fucking trumpet player.'  And he looked at me and said, 'I am a great fucking trumpet player.' So he knew."

Wait, so Mandi and her friends are out partying (drunk at the time of your post, I know this because I got drunk dialed by her) and you're reading old quotes about the fat man?  My man.