2012 Election Thread

[twatts]

I got a binder full of women, too.

I used to have one...  Then I found out there's all this free porn on the internet...

Terry

[gah]

I got a binder full of women, too.

I used to have one...  Then I found out there's all this free porn on the internet...

Terry

Yeah, that's what I meant. My bookmarks tab.

[Undermind]

http://bindersfullofwomen.com/

https://www.facebook.com/romneybindersfullofwomen

[Hicks]

If this binders full of women thing ends up moving the numbers I'm gonna lol.

[runawayjimbo]

If this binders full of women thing ends up moving the numbers I'm gonna lol.

If young people voted with as much enthusiasm as they create Internet memes, this thing might be out of reach by now. As it is, most of the voting population probably didn't see the humor in the "gaffe" and are likely familiar with the concept of a binder.

Going into last night, Romney had closed the gap with women in swing states. And what is the Obama campaign's response? Binders and Big Bird. Amazeballs.

ETA:

I know you know I regard an important distinction between the MSNBC model/approach and the Fox News model/approach. That doesn't mean I think MSNBC is completely immune to criticism for what it does (I'm no partisan), but they are different beasts.

I know you know I know you make that distinction and that I think it's a bunch of malarkey. :-P

[Undermind]

If this binders full of women thing ends up moving the numbers I'm gonna lol.

If young people voted with as much enthusiasm as they create Internet memes, this thing might be out of reach by now. As it is, most of the voting population probably didn't see the humor in the "gaffe" and are likely familiar with the concept of a binder.

Going into last night, Romney had closed the gap with women in swing states. And what is the Obama campaign's response? Binders and Big Bird. Amazeballs.

I think Obama has done a fine job at showing the full picture as to how bad Romney will be for woman voters and the rights they will probably lose if he becomes President.  If they are too dumb to understand that through the Big Bird and Binders stuff than so be it.

[runawayjimbo]

If this binders full of women thing ends up moving the numbers I'm gonna lol.

If young people voted with as much enthusiasm as they create Internet memes, this thing might be out of reach by now. As it is, most of the voting population probably didn't see the humor in the "gaffe" and are likely familiar with the concept of a binder.

Going into last night, Romney had closed the gap with women in swing states. And what is the Obama campaign's response? Binders and Big Bird. Amazeballs.

I think Obama has done a fine job at showing the full picture as to how bad Romney will be for woman voters and the rights they will probably lose if he becomes President.  If they are too dumb to understand that through the Big Bird and Binders stuff than so be it.

I agree Obama has done a commendable job painting the picture of Romney as someone who will take away their "rights", I just don't think women are falling for it. And rightly so.

Again, Obama's entire campaign is based on "don't vote for the other guy." And while Romney's pitch is basically in the same vein, it hurts Obama more coming off the whole Hope & Change thing when he's running W's 2004 play book using the same speeches from 4 yrs ago.

Last night, the woman asked Romney how he's different than W; I wish someone would ask the same of Obama.

[Undermind]

If this binders full of women thing ends up moving the numbers I'm gonna lol.

If young people voted with as much enthusiasm as they create Internet memes, this thing might be out of reach by now. As it is, most of the voting population probably didn't see the humor in the "gaffe" and are likely familiar with the concept of a binder.

Going into last night, Romney had closed the gap with women in swing states. And what is the Obama campaign's response? Binders and Big Bird. Amazeballs.

I think Obama has done a fine job at showing the full picture as to how bad Romney will be for woman voters and the rights they will probably lose if he becomes President.  If they are too dumb to understand that through the Big Bird and Binders stuff than so be it.

I agree Obama has done a commendable job painting the picture of Romney as someone who will take away their "rights", I just don't think women are falling for it. And rightly so.

Again, Obama's entire campaign is based on "don't vote for the other guy." And while Romney's pitch is basically in the same vein, it hurts Obama more coming off the whole Hope & Change thing when he's running W's 2004 play book using the same speeches from 4 yrs ago.

Last night, the woman asked Romney how he's different than W; I wish someone would ask the same of Obama.

um, one way would be that Bush put the country in the shitter and Obama had to lead a country out of one.

[twatts]

I wish someone would ask the same of Obama.

OB:  "Well...  For starters, I'm black..."

Terry

[Guyute]

Can someone please get MSNBC a time clock? Chris Matthews again pushing that Romney crowded out Obama's speaking time. CNN has Obama +3:15.

And now for my sadistic ritual of flipping back between Fox and MSNBC. Then I punch myself in the balls and call it a night.

I do the same thing.  I have found that over the last year MSNBC has become more biased than Fox, which I didn't think was possible.  Really? Al Sharpton is your post debate commentator, he's the biggest Obama fan-boy in the country.  Let me turn to Fox and see if they have Rush or O'Reilly on for their side to balance it out.

Don't tell that to V00D00BR3W :wink:

Hey, I heard that!

I know you know I regard an important distinction between the MSNBC model/approach and the Fox News model/approach. That doesn't mean I think MSNBC is completely immune to criticism for what it does (I'm no partisan), but they are different beasts.

Obviously there is something I don't about you and MSNBC.    Would be curious as to what you see as the difference other than ends of the spectrum.  Odd that now CNN is the least biased.

[twatts]

Can someone please get MSNBC a time clock? Chris Matthews again pushing that Romney crowded out Obama's speaking time. CNN has Obama +3:15.

And now for my sadistic ritual of flipping back between Fox and MSNBC. Then I punch myself in the balls and call it a night.

I do the same thing.  I have found that over the last year MSNBC has become more biased than Fox, which I didn't think was possible.  Really? Al Sharpton is your post debate commentator, he's the biggest Obama fan-boy in the country.  Let me turn to Fox and see if they have Rush or O'Reilly on for their side to balance it out.

Don't tell that to V00D00BR3W :wink:

Hey, I heard that!

I know you know I regard an important distinction between the MSNBC model/approach and the Fox News model/approach. That doesn't mean I think MSNBC is completely immune to criticism for what it does (I'm no partisan), but they are different beasts.

Obviously there is something I don't about you and MSNBC.    Would be curious as to what you see as the difference other than ends of the spectrum.  Odd that now CNN is the least biased.

This is why I get most of my news from Al-Jazeera... 

Terry

[runawayjimbo]

If this binders full of women thing ends up moving the numbers I'm gonna lol.

If young people voted with as much enthusiasm as they create Internet memes, this thing might be out of reach by now. As it is, most of the voting population probably didn't see the humor in the "gaffe" and are likely familiar with the concept of a binder.

Going into last night, Romney had closed the gap with women in swing states. And what is the Obama campaign's response? Binders and Big Bird. Amazeballs.

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I think Obama has done a fine job at showing the full picture as to how bad Romney will be for woman voters and the rights they will probably lose if he becomes President.  If they are too dumb to understand that through the Big Bird and Binders stuff than so be it.

I agree Obama has done a commendable job painting the picture of Romney as someone who will take away their "rights", I just don't think women are falling for it. And rightly so.

Again, Obama's entire campaign is based on "don't vote for the other guy." And while Romney's pitch is basically in the same vein, it hurts Obama more coming off the whole Hope & Change thing when he's running W's 2004 play book using the same speeches from 4 yrs ago.

Last night, the woman asked Romney how he's different than W; I wish someone would ask the same of Obama.

um, one way would be that Bush put the country in the shitter and Obama had to lead a country out of one.

That's about as vague an answer as Obama would give. Congratulations, you too can be (a potentially one term) President.

I wish someone would ask the same of Obama.

OB:  "Well...  For starters, I'm black..."

Now that's an answer!!!

[sls.stormyrider]

if the binders full of women wasn't bad enough, Romney himself didn't solicit them - it was the other way around

http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/10/17/binders-full-women-mitt-romney-claim-not-entirely-accurate/jrKRRGSIPqjvuKX8dgq6gL/story.html

Romney's story isn't entirely accurate.

Those "binders full of women" actually came from a coalition called Massachusetts Government Appointments Project, or MassGAP, that had formed in August 2002 to address the shortage of women in high-ranking government positions. They had started assembling groups of applicants, taking several months to reach out to women's organizations around the state and preparing to present potential hires to whichever candidate won the election.

"We contacted both candidates before the final election," said Liz Levin, who was chairman of MassGAP until 2010. "This was an effort that we put our hearts in. We wanted to make sure that people knew how many good, qualified, terrific ladies there were."

[VDB]

Can someone please get MSNBC a time clock? Chris Matthews again pushing that Romney crowded out Obama's speaking time. CNN has Obama +3:15.

And now for my sadistic ritual of flipping back between Fox and MSNBC. Then I punch myself in the balls and call it a night.

I do the same thing.  I have found that over the last year MSNBC has become more biased than Fox, which I didn't think was possible.  Really? Al Sharpton is your post debate commentator, he's the biggest Obama fan-boy in the country.  Let me turn to Fox and see if they have Rush or O'Reilly on for their side to balance it out.

Don't tell that to V00D00BR3W :wink:

Hey, I heard that!

I know you know I regard an important distinction between the MSNBC model/approach and the Fox News model/approach. That doesn't mean I think MSNBC is completely immune to criticism for what it does (I'm no partisan), but they are different beasts.

Obviously there is something I don't about you and MSNBC.    Would be curious as to what you see as the difference other than ends of the spectrum.  Odd that now CNN is the least biased.

I believe that both Fox News and MSNBC have made business-based decisions to appeal to the ideological bents of their respective audiences. But they go about it in different ways.

MSNBC loads up their airtime with opinion/commentary personalities, who all pretty much swing left except for the departed Pat Buchanan and his replacement "Silent" Steve Schmidt. So, if you check into MSNBC during prime time, you're going to hear liberal viewpoints. But they are clearly delivered as opinions. Now, what I think is inappropriate for a news channel is the fact that MSNBC also stocks their election desk with those same opinion personalities. But the coverage and commentary there is still being delivered by opinion people as opinion people. Rachel Maddow is not purporting to take off her "commentator" hat and don the role of "chief hard news anchor" or anything like that. They still are who they are.

Fox News, meanwhile, takes great pains to inject every aspect of their operation with their right-leaning inclinations. This is manifested not only in the makeup of their talking heads (same as MSNBC) but also in the kind of stories they cover and the way they cover them. Spend any amount of time consuming Fox News and it's clear what narratives they are pushing; and they push them hard. Go check out my brilliant Fox News thread for a glimpse into the ways FN lets ideology infect the very core of their hard "news" operation. It's OK that they play to their audience -- hey, they gotta make money -- but you get the distinct sense that they aren't just honoring their audience's confirmation bias, they are actively feeding them material and coverage that props up Republican narratives and perpetuates the whole thing. (Maybe this is just FN's way of ensuring the audience will always be there, holding the views that they hold... holy shit, that's brilliant!) Oh, and the fact that they still try and pay lip service to their own "fair and balanced" self-applied label is just beyond disingenuous.

FN was essentially started as a response to CNN, which was viewed by some on the right as being "too liberal." FN turned out to be wildly successful by just going straight for one side of the spectrum. I think the charges of bias have spooked CNN over the years into trying as hard as possible to just shoot straight down the middle and not offend anyone (namely, conservatives who hate them anyway). So MSNBC saw an opportunity to provide the left-leaning option, and I believe they've been rewarded in the marketplace for that. But they do so with much less, and much less insidious, pretense, in my opinion.

[runawayjimbo]

With NC flipping from tossup to Leans Romney, RCP has Romney with an electoral college lead for the first time in the race (206-201 with 131 tossups).

Also, while Nate Silver still shows Obama with a 66% chance to win, two U of Colorado political science profs give Romney a 77% chance of winning the popular vote. And while Silver's model was very accurate in 2008 and again in the midterms, the Colorado model has accurately predicted the outcome in every election since 1980.

Intrade down 4% today to 63%.

Getting ready to watch Obama on the Daily Show and LOL at the right's idiocy over the "less than optimal" comment.