2012 Election Thread

[runawayjimbo]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/mitt-romney-auto-bailout_n_1974906.html

Total bullshit.  If you google it, every article cited how he wanted to let the auto industry fail with the exception of private sector help.  Fucking soulless liar.

Well, not every article:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/23/barack-obama/obama-says-romney-opposed-any-government-help-resc/

Also, fact checkers can be wrong too ya know (although not in this case).

And I was so confused last night by Hicks' outburst in Mormon hate until I saw Andrew Sullivan playing the M card and realized it was just your defense mechanism in the face of a potential Romney presidency.

Intrade at 56% (down 7% today). Also, a Romney flash today proves (to the left) that Intrade is too easily manipulated to predict anything (without recognizing that this somewhat illiquid, inefficient market corrected itself in a matter of mins).

U guyz r silly.


Vote for me as a write-in. A vote for phil means mandatory weed for everyone over 15 years of age and jail time as punishment for getting worked up over political b.s.

Yall can come hang with me at the white house, I hear the grub there is nice.

Is that "phil" or "phillip"?

[Hicks]

Lol, pretty sure I told you intrade wasn't scientific weeks ago.

Also, I've always hated Mormons just like anyone with half a brain who lives West of the Mississippi.

[runawayjimbo]

Lol, pretty sure I told you intrade wasn't scientific weeks ago.

Also, I've always hated Mormons just like anyone with half a brain who lives West of the Mississippi.

I never said it was scientific, I said it was BETTER than science. Also LOL at calling predictive modeling and polls with a 9% response rate "science".

[Hicks]

pshaw everybody knows there aint nothing better than science.

[runawayjimbo]

pshaw everybody knows there aint nothing better than science.

Don't tell that to Republicans.

Seriously, everyone should be watching Larry King in this 3rd party debate.

[Undermind]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/23/gop-senate-candidate-pregnancies-from-rape-gods-will/?hpt=hp_t2

:shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead:

[ytowndan]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/23/gop-senate-candidate-pregnancies-from-rape-gods-will/?hpt=hp_t2

:shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead:

These people are downright scary. 

[rowjimmy]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/23/gop-senate-candidate-pregnancies-from-rape-gods-will/?hpt=hp_t2

:shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead:

These people are downright scary.

Let's elect more of them!

[sunrisevt]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/23/gop-senate-candidate-pregnancies-from-rape-gods-will/?hpt=hp_t2

:shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead:

Yeah, let's not any of us forget this little gem from our opposition VP candidate, offered a few short months ago... (Money line @ 1:05-1:15)

[gah]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/23/gop-senate-candidate-pregnancies-from-rape-gods-will/?hpt=hp_t2

:shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead:

These people are downright scary.

Let's elect more of them!

I WISH I could.

[VDB]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/23/gop-senate-candidate-pregnancies-from-rape-gods-will/?hpt=hp_t2

:shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead:

I have to say, as much as I disagree with them severely, I have to acknowledge that people who oppose abortion in cases of rape or incest are at least being consistent in their beliefs. For the sake of argument, let's accept as a premise that you are going to oppose abortion. It's entirely reasonable, under the belief system that leads people to that position, to take a no-exceptions stance on the issue. (I'll note here that I do think providing an exception to protect the life of the mother is actually consistent with that pro-life stance in the first place.)

In reading the guy's quote -- "I struggled with it myself for a long time, and I realized that life is a gift from God, and I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something God intended to happen" -- I think it's fair to take the guy's word that his point was that God "intended" that the life be conceived there, not that the person be raped in the first place.

This guy is saying, "My belief is that sperm + egg = life; therefore, if a sperm meets an egg no matter what the circumstances, I believe at that instant the purpose is to create life and I don't want to interfere with that." You have to admit, they are sticking up for what they believe in, and there's something admirable about that.

Now, that being said, in these post-Todd Aiken days, you'd think that any pol would craft their words on this topic extremely carefully so as not to stir up a shitstorm they can't recover from. Just the construction of his sentence alone leaves the door open for someone to accuse him of expressing an belief that "God intends rape," and that itself is something you don't want to have to spend time defending or responding to.

Why couldn't he have just said, "Look, I believe that life begins at conception, and all such lifeforms are just as innocent as any others. I don't think it's right to terminate those innocent lives because of circumstances they had no control over"? Because think about it -- the debate in these specific cases isn't abortions vs. no abortions. It's about rape/incest exceptions or not. It's saying to the pol -- OK, you oppose abortion, but do you still oppose it in these cases? And he can say, "Yes, I make no distinction from the fetus' point of view. Why do you think I should?" This would throw it back to the opposition and make them explain why it's OK to oppose aborting some fetuses but not others.

The typical response to people who oppose abortion in cases of rape and incest is to portray them as being cruel to women. If I were advising these candidates, I'd have them turn the issue around and make it not about the mother but about the innocent life they are trying to protect. Make it about their own compassion and moral consistency, and not about their draconian views on women. Seems to me like they could put themselves in a more favorable light, and they never fully grab this opportunity.

[PIE-GUY]

There's this lady my mom knows who is extremely pro-life. What has she done about it? She has fostered over 150 infants over the last 25 years. Most of them are born addicted to crack or heroin. She barely sleeps because they barely sleep. I have nothing but respect for this woman.

The people who spend all their time and energy into pro-life causes ought to look at this model. You want fewer abortions in this country? Give unwanted kids a chance. It's a much better use of your time and energy than protesting.

[mattstick]

David Bowie was right to be afraid of Americans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/us/politics/strident-anti-obama-messages-flood-key-states.html?_r=1&;

[gah]

David Bowie was right to be afraid of Americans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/us/politics/strident-anti-obama-messages-flood-key-states.html?_r=1&

USA! USA! USA

[twatts]

David Bowie was right to be afraid of Americans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/us/politics/strident-anti-obama-messages-flood-key-states.html?_r=1&

He can't help it...