2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread

[runawayjimbo]

Looks like our long national nightmare may soon come to an end.

@Mediaite: Trump on Megyn Kelly: 'Blood Coming Out of Her Eyes, Blood Coming Out of Her... Wherever' http://t.co/n3DZzEmSnu VIDEO http://t.co/

I dont get it.  Are you saying that Trump making a rediculous, sexist statement is going to bury him?

Yes. I think when someone makes a "she's on the rag" joke - especially when that joke is used to explain why the big mean reporter lady was so mean to him - that person is not going to be president. It doesn't mean he's (necessarily) going to go away anytime soon. But I think it's pretty clear he's not going to be taken "seriously" anymore. And you can see it already: all the tough guy GOP candidates were out talking about what a disgrace he is yesterday and today whereas before they were too afraid to mention him.

A lot of people today pointing to this poll showing Trump's support has surged post-debate (even including period-gate). But it's an online poll which is ripe for manipulation and notoriously suspect in terms of predictability. Dude will very soon be the laughing stock he so rightly deserves to be.

meh.  all is he needs to do is tone down the misogyny and amp back up the racism and he'll be fine. oh wait i forgot, the hatred of obama has nothing to do with republicans being racist.  actually, he doesn't even need to tone down the misogyny, his 'only rosie o'donnell' comment referring to women as pigs and dogs got big applause and laughter.  these fucking assholes love it.  i mean c'mon, somebody is doing the raping!

How many non-white candidates are the Ds running?

C'mon, that Rosie O'Donnell line was funny.

God damn it I hate it when you troll me into defending these dickheads.

[mbw]

Looks like our long national nightmare may soon come to an end.

@Mediaite: Trump on Megyn Kelly: 'Blood Coming Out of Her Eyes, Blood Coming Out of Her... Wherever' http://t.co/n3DZzEmSnu VIDEO http://t.co/

I dont get it.  Are you saying that Trump making a rediculous, sexist statement is going to bury him?

Yes. I think when someone makes a "she's on the rag" joke - especially when that joke is used to explain why the big mean reporter lady was so mean to him - that person is not going to be president. It doesn't mean he's (necessarily) going to go away anytime soon. But I think it's pretty clear he's not going to be taken "seriously" anymore. And you can see it already: all the tough guy GOP candidates were out talking about what a disgrace he is yesterday and today whereas before they were too afraid to mention him.

A lot of people today pointing to this poll showing Trump's support has surged post-debate (even including period-gate). But it's an online poll which is ripe for manipulation and notoriously suspect in terms of predictability. Dude will very soon be the laughing stock he so rightly deserves to be.

meh.  all is he needs to do is tone down the misogyny and amp back up the racism and he'll be fine. oh wait i forgot, the hatred of obama has nothing to do with republicans being racist.  actually, he doesn't even need to tone down the misogyny, his 'only rosie o'donnell' comment referring to women as pigs and dogs got big applause and laughter.  these fucking assholes love it.  i mean c'mon, somebody is doing the raping!

How many non-white candidates are the Ds running?

none yet, but that's not the point. neither the Bernie or the soon to not be front-runner have gotten there by making blatantly racist remarks, as has trump.

C'mon, that Rosie O'Donnell line was funny.

well yeah, but as you stated, not for a presidential candidate.  but it doesn't matter with this party.  that's how bad it's gotten with them.

God damn it I hate it when you troll me into defending these dickheads.

its so easy tho.

[runawayjimbo]

How many non-white candidates are the Ds running?

none yet, but that's not the point. neither the Bernie or the soon to not be front-runner have gotten there by making blatantly racist remarks, as has trump.

Sure it is: when you accuse an entire political party and roughly half the country of being overt racists (for 8 years), I think it's instructive to hold your own team to the same standards. Now, I agree, the composition of the field (not to mention the powers we are willing to grant the executive) was never my litmus test. But I seem to remember a whole lot of "GOP is party of old white men" faux outrage last time around.

God damn it I hate it when you troll me into defending these dickheads.

its so easy tho.

Pretty much

But that's not why I came here: check out all the sick burnage in this Twitter exchange between the two supposed front runners to become the most powerful person in the world. Keep up the good work, America.

@HillaryClinton
Cost won't be a barrier to an education. Debt won't hold you back. Read Hillary's plan: http://hrc.io/college

@JebBush
@HillaryClinton

@HillaryClinton
.@JebBush Fixed it for you.

@JebBush
.@HillaryClinton fixed your logo for you

[sls.stormyrider]

I don't follow any of them on twitter, but it is much more entertaining than trading barbs via soundbite.


one thing hasn't changed - the GOPs stock answer (when they don't have an answer) remains tax and spend.

of course, the Dems is war on XX (woman, seniors, take your pick), then the GOP will say war on yy (God, America)

they might as well just say something dignified, like "your mama", or "I know you are but what am I"

[mbw]

I don't follow any of them on twitter, but it is much more entertaining than trading barbs via soundbite.


one thing hasn't changed - the GOPs stock answer (when they don't have an answer) remains tax and spend.

of course, the Dems is war on XX (woman, seniors, take your pick), then the GOP will say war on yy (God, America)

they might as well just say something dignified, like "your mama", or "I know you are but what am I"

[ytowndan]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/11/1410823/-Bernie-Sanders-in-LA-Over-27-000-in-attendance-This-thing-is-real-The-media-needs-to-get-serious

His crowds are really getting huge YUGE!

Also, this.

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Poll: Bernie Sanders surges ahead of Hillary Clinton in N.H., 44-37

"Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders has rocketed past longtime front-runner Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, a stunning turn in a race once considered a lock for the former secretary of state, a new Franklin Pierce University/Boston Herald poll shows.

Sanders leads Clinton 44-37 percent among likely Democratic primary voters, the first time the heavily favored Clinton has trailed in the 2016 primary campaign, according to the poll of 442 Granite-Staters.

Sanders rise has been meteoric. The socialist senator trailed Clinton by a 44-8 margin in a Franklin Pierce/Herald poll in March."

[VDB]

I went to see Bernie Friday night, at a nondescript convention/events venue on the outskirts of Columbia. The main room held about 2,000 plus however many overflowing outside. It was hot as shit in there, and one person even fainted and had to be carried out in the middle of the speech.

I do like that Bernie doesn't seem to give a shit about being a polished politician. He kind of comes off as a reluctant, even cranky, candidate, doing what he's doing out of a sense of obligation that seems pretty genuine. That said, he does have a stockpile of favorite applause lines, which he leaned on fairly heavily and deployed much more often than actual policy proposals. But maybe that's primary season for you.

His stump speech is heavy on economic populism and anti-one-percentisms. Surely a lot of his views in this area would shock and appall a great many to his political right. His self-applied label "democratic socialist" is accurately chosen.

I was most encouraged when he addressed criminal justice and police militarization/brutality. You know not a single Republican contestant (to borrow Trump's term) would even bother to acknowledge those as issues, with the possible exception of Rand Paul, unless he thought his crowd wouldn't abide such talk.

Still, I was disappointed that Bernie didn't go farther in addressing the drug war and drug policy. In fact, in talking about how important it is for police to have the trust and support of the community, the examples he chose were that we want people to be able to count on cops to go after "crack houses" and "drug dealers." Really, Bern? Couldn't you have picked, like, purse snatchers and domestic abusers instead? At one point someone shouted something about ending cannabis prohibition, and Bernie ignored the remark. Later, he said that it's crazy that a person can have a criminal record for marijuana but no one has a criminal record for Wall Street's misdeeds. Note he did not say that no one should have criminal record for marijuana.

All in all, it was a good time with a good crowd, and an excited one. I'm glad Bernie is in this race if only to put certain things on the table that artificial establishment types like Hillary would never touch otherwise. I'm also glad right now to be living in an early primary state, so we'll be getting lots of visits from lots of people coming up. Personally, I cannot wait for my first Trump rally.

[Undermind]

[Undermind]

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/29/bernie-sanders-explodes-iowa-closes-7-hillary-clinton-poll.html

[runawayjimbo]

You guys gonna be ok when crazy Uncle Joe gets in and steals all Bernie's thunder?

[ytowndan]

You guys gonna be ok when crazy Uncle Joe gets in and steals all Bernie's thunder?

It won't make much of a difference.  The media goes out of its way to ignore Sanders as it is, having Biden in the race won't change that at all.  He also isn't going to be "stealing" much of Sanders' vote either, considering he's even more conservative than Hillary. 

[mbw]

You guys gonna be ok when crazy Uncle Joe gets in and steals all Bernie's thunder?

It won't make much of a difference.  The media goes out of its way to ignore Sanders as it is, having Biden in the race won't change that at all.  He also isn't going to be "stealing" much of Sanders' vote either, considering he's even more conservative than Hillary.

clearly he is taking votes away from clinton.  go joe.

[VDB]

Yeah, hard to see many of the people who are excited for Bernie suddenly jump ship for Joe.

Although someone last night was discussing a plan (I have no idea whose speculation this is as I haven't researched it) wherein Biden would tap Elizabeth Warren for VP and run promising only to serve one term. Kinda to mitigate the age thing and position it as "Let's give Liz some experience cuz you know you all would rather her in four years anyway." I guess?

[PIE-GUY]

One term promise up front would be a bad idea. Just sayin.