2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread

[runawayjimbo]

I agree, Biden's support would most certainly come from Clinton, but there are surely enough voters - especially minority voters - that may be too disaffected with Hillary that would get behind Joe. Plus, given the WH's not so subtle hints of their intentions were Joe to get in, he would be looking at a pretty broad coalition, assuming he could overcome the Clinton machine (still no small feat). Although it would be interesting to see how the Black Lives Matter movement reacts to Biden given the way they have disrupted Bernie: if anyone is more responsible than the Clintons for our woeful current mass incarceration state it's Joe Biden.

But in the end, it just seems to me the establishment is still too much to overcome in a national election (sadly). The organizational muscle required is too high a bar for the more extreme ends of either side of the spectrum to overcome, whether it's progressives on the left or Tea Party/whacko birds or whoever the right leaning anti-establisment voice du jour is.

Although someone last night was discussing a plan (I have no idea whose speculation this is as I haven't researched it) wherein Biden would tap Elizabeth Warren for VP and run promising only to serve one term. Kinda to mitigate the age thing and position it as "Let's give Liz some experience cuz you know you all would rather her in four years anyway." I guess?

Seems to be rampant speculation (at this point) coming out of their meeting last week. However, most of the people in the know that I follow were talking about it like it was a given.

[ytowndan]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/06/438113499/harvard-law-professor-crowdfunds-1-million-launches-presidential-bid

This guy has zero chance of getting the nomination but, given how this seems to be the Year of the Non-Politician, he might actually poll high enough to get into the debate. 

His proposal of ending gerrymandering with multi-member congressional districts is a great idea that no one is talking about.  It would be a plus if he could get the Democrats to take sides on that issue.  However, with exception to that proposal, everything else in his (very small) platform is basically what Bernie is already campaigning on. 

[Undermind]

Good read... imo anyway!

http://ringoffireradio.com/2015/09/kareem-abdul-jabbar-writes-powerful-message-against-trump-and-for-bernie-read-how-trump-responded/

[sls.stormyrider]

every time I think that Trump is the biggest dick in the world, some other, even bigger dick comes along.

turns out that the bigger dick is... Trump

[Undermind]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/battleground-tracker-sanders-surges-in-ia-nh-clinton-up-in-sc/

[mbw]

Looks like our long national nightmare may soon come to an end.

@Mediaite: Trump on Megyn Kelly: 'Blood Coming Out of Her Eyes, Blood Coming Out of Her... Wherever' http://t.co/n3DZzEmSnu VIDEO http://t.co/

I dont get it.  Are you saying that Trump making a rediculous, sexist statement is going to bury him?

Yes. I think when someone makes a "she's on the rag" joke - especially when that joke is used to explain why the big mean reporter lady was so mean to him - that person is not going to be president. It doesn't mean he's (necessarily) going to go away anytime soon. But I think it's pretty clear he's not going to be taken "seriously" anymore. And you can see it already: all the tough guy GOP candidates were out talking about what a disgrace he is yesterday and today whereas before they were too afraid to mention him.

A lot of people today pointing to this poll showing Trump's support has surged post-debate (even including period-gate). But it's an online poll which is ripe for manipulation and notoriously suspect in terms of predictability. Dude will very soon be the laughing stock he so rightly deserves to be.

phew.  gotta hand it to you, you were right on the money.  i take back all the things i said about the majority of republicans being xenophobic, racist and misogynist.  i am happy that this remark followed by even more outrageous remarks finally made the republican base say enough is enough and the donald is all but a memory now.  now they can focus on real candidates like another bush or maybe ted cruz.

[runawayjimbo]

Looks like our long national nightmare may soon come to an end.

@Mediaite: Trump on Megyn Kelly: 'Blood Coming Out of Her Eyes, Blood Coming Out of Her... Wherever' http://t.co/n3DZzEmSnu VIDEO http://t.co/

I dont get it.  Are you saying that Trump making a rediculous, sexist statement is going to bury him?

Yes. I think when someone makes a "she's on the rag" joke - especially when that joke is used to explain why the big mean reporter lady was so mean to him - that person is not going to be president. It doesn't mean he's (necessarily) going to go away anytime soon. But I think it's pretty clear he's not going to be taken "seriously" anymore. And you can see it already: all the tough guy GOP candidates were out talking about what a disgrace he is yesterday and today whereas before they were too afraid to mention him.

A lot of people today pointing to this poll showing Trump's support has surged post-debate (even including period-gate). But it's an online poll which is ripe for manipulation and notoriously suspect in terms of predictability. Dude will very soon be the laughing stock he so rightly deserves to be.

phew.  gotta hand it to you, you were right on the money.  i take back all the things i said about the majority of republicans being xenophobic, racist and misogynist.  i am happy that this remark followed by even more outrageous remarks finally made the republican base say enough is enough and the donald is all but a memory now.  now they can focus on real candidates like another bush or maybe ted cruz.

LOL

Good to know that when I said "not any time soon" you interpreted that as "1 month or GTFO." Although I'm sure Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee, Herman Cain, and Rick Santorum all wish the political calendar progressed on your expedited schedule.

Donald Trump will not be the GOP nominee. He represents frustration with politics as usual; he's basically a Bizzaro version of your boy Bern. So while it's easy for people to tell a pollster over the phone 5 months before the first primaries that yes, they do in fact support Trump, when it comes down to, you know, actually voting, issues end up mattering to people. And while the GOP base may in fact be as virulently anti-immigrant as Trump (again, much like a certain Independent Senator running for the Democratic nomination), I am quite confident that the Republican voters for which you hold so much disdain will not make Trump their nominee because he has no issue that he cares about other than himself.

If I were you, I would be way more concerned about Ben Carson. He also can tap into the anti-establishment fervor and he is basing his tax plan on the Bible. He is pretty much running for president because he is convinced Jesus told him to. That kind of zealotry scares the shit out of me. And, unlike the Donald, he may actually have the political acumen to put together some wins. But of course, you will write him off because you are certain the GOP would never, EVER, vote for the black man. (I agree with you that he has a tough road but IMO it is because of the inevitability of the establishment not the color of his skin).

[mbw]

Looks like our long national nightmare may soon come to an end.

@Mediaite: Trump on Megyn Kelly: 'Blood Coming Out of Her Eyes, Blood Coming Out of Her... Wherever' http://t.co/n3DZzEmSnu VIDEO http://t.co/

I dont get it.  Are you saying that Trump making a rediculous, sexist statement is going to bury him?

Yes. I think when someone makes a "she's on the rag" joke - especially when that joke is used to explain why the big mean reporter lady was so mean to him - that person is not going to be president. It doesn't mean he's (necessarily) going to go away anytime soon. But I think it's pretty clear he's not going to be taken "seriously" anymore. And you can see it already: all the tough guy GOP candidates were out talking about what a disgrace he is yesterday and today whereas before they were too afraid to mention him.

A lot of people today pointing to this poll showing Trump's support has surged post-debate (even including period-gate). But it's an online poll which is ripe for manipulation and notoriously suspect in terms of predictability. Dude will very soon be the laughing stock he so rightly deserves to be.

phew.  gotta hand it to you, you were right on the money.  i take back all the things i said about the majority of republicans being xenophobic, racist and misogynist.  i am happy that this remark followed by even more outrageous remarks finally made the republican base say enough is enough and the donald is all but a memory now.  now they can focus on real candidates like another bush or maybe ted cruz.

LOL

Good to know that when I said "not any time soon" you interpreted that as "1 month or GTFO." Although I'm sure Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee, Herman Cain, and Rick Santorum all wish the political calendar progressed on your expedited schedule.

Donald Trump will not be the GOP nominee. He represents frustration with politics as usual; he's basically a Bizzaro version of your boy Bern. So while it's easy for people to tell a pollster over the phone 5 months before the first primaries that yes, they do in fact support Trump, when it comes down to, you know, actually voting, issues end up mattering to people. And while the GOP base may in fact be as virulently anti-immigrant as Trump (again, much like a certain Independent Senator running for the Democratic nomination), I am quite confident that the Republican voters for which you hold so much disdain will not make Trump their nominee because he has no issue that he cares about other than himself.

If I were you, I would be way more concerned about Ben Carson. He also can tap into the anti-establishment fervor and he is basing his tax plan on the Bible. He is pretty much running for president because he is convinced Jesus told him to. That kind of zealotry scares the shit out of me. And, unlike the Donald, he may actually have the political acumen to put together some wins. But of course, you will write him off because you are certain the GOP would never, EVER, vote for the black man. (I agree with you that he has a tough road but IMO it is because of the inevitability of the establishment not the color of his skin).

thanks for more quote canon fodder.  i will check back in in a month.   :-D

[runawayjimbo]

Carly Fiorina is doing what none of the "big boys" could: beating the everloving shit out of Trump.

[mbw]

Carly Fiorina is doing what none of the "big boys" could: beating the everloving shit out of Trump.

they really tee'd that one up for her about trump calling her ugly and then horribly spinning it, after he accused bush of 'not meaning what he said.'
it almost seemed scripted, but i'm glad she kicked him in the nuts.

[runawayjimbo]

Trump makes every emoji face ever in 6 secs

[runawayjimbo]

Dear God,

I know I don't believe in you, but please, PLEASE, let this be over.

Your pal,
jimbo

[mbw]

Dear God,

I know I don't believe in you, but please, PLEASE, let this be over.

Your pal,
jimbo

You sat through the whole thing? 

[runawayjimbo]

Dear God,

I know I don't believe in you, but please, PLEASE, let this be over.

Your pal,
jimbo

You sat through the whole thing?

Yup. I was still a little sore from punching myself in the nuts repeatedly on Tuesday night so I needed to find another way to torture myself. This was way worse.

[sls.stormyrider]

"Leave science to the scientists"
attributed to Rick Santorium when asked about Pope Francis' encyclical on the environment and global warming.


OK Rick, that's a great idea.