2014-7-1 Xfinity Center - Mansfield, MA - Post Show Discussion

[redrum]

Solid show! Had a blast.
They were feeling it last night!

[cactusfan]

some nice bits here and there. though i think they just piped in the album version of Waiting All Night.

highlight is Hood. beautiful version. the one real keeper from this show.

[cleech74]

I'm listening to this show, now. I'm in the middle of Stash, digging the jam. Good stuff, so far. Can't wait to hear set two. Did they add the second jam back in Mike's? Fish did address that in his recent radio interview.

nope they didnt.

Just listened to that. Great Mike's Groove, with the nice Ghost>Paug seg. Listening to Hood. Starts dirty, and Trey's tone early is good. I'm in the jam, and like what I hear. It's been 10 yrs, since they (minus Mike) called it quits. I like where they are, as a band.

[mbw]

I felt good about that Hood.^TM

[sls.stormyrider]

enjoying the 1st set so far
Fish is playing really well. IMO he makes Fuego.
btw, as I was listening to Fuego something was missing. I couldn't put my finger on it. But then......









no whale call

[Buffalo Budd]

I would have been very happy with this show.  Liking the new tunes, Stash is a beast, the Hood delivers big time and they all seem to be pretty on point with their playing.  Sure I would love Trey to have the nimble fingers he once had but I find the others make up for it imo.

[susep]

the word of the day was fuego:  hot weather, hot women, hot music, hot everything.  mehead and I were cooking in the lot literally. 

really good show, first time in a long time I've felt 100% satisfied with a Phish show.

Stash was nice, I could hear Mike modulating early in the jam.  As mentioned above Hood was indeed the show highlight, really nice jamming. 

I liked that Trey was less rock peak, listening more and giving Page more room to shine(Julius among other examples).

There were various teases and quotes by Trey as well, always a good sign.  Check out his quote of a transition riff of the Allman's Whipping Post at 4:21 in Birds. 

All in all, a very good night of Phish. 

[sophist]

1) New Tunes sound good.  I actually like them better live than the polished turd that is the album.  All the "fancy" effects on the vocals seem very anti-phish to me.  As much as I complain about their ability to create good harmonies.  They weren't bad this show. 

2) It's taking 5 years, but Stealing Time is actually a decent opener.  Kinda a slow pace, and we get whale'd out the gate, but at the same time, for the 3.0 tunes the whale sound works and I expect it.  Overall, new tunes, and the other 3.0 tunes sound good

3) I must not be listening to the same stash.  Same shit it's been since 3/6/09.  They still can't resolve the D minor to peak the jam.  It meanders less, and isn't as whale-y or trite in being atonal as previous 3.0 versions.  It's not piercing on my ears like many other versions.  But it is still a throw away version to me

4) Overall first set was kinda boring to me.  Songs were played fine.  But no flow.  And it seemed pretty disjointed at times.  Fuego is just Frankenstein for me, it just sounds like Reba in that they glued all these vastly different sections together, only it's 3.0 compositions, so it sounds more like Genesis with vagina's rather than King Crimson with pythons.  Not a bad thing, it's just an adjustment for these ears. 

5) re: Pieguy.  I know, Phish in 3.0 finally took a lesson from Panic and got a god damn segue right.  I shit my pants in disbelief.  Pretty much Mike's though Paug has some smooth transitions.  The Ghost -> Paug segue is pretty good.  Only beef, the ghost jam had just hit a syncopation groove that is interesting (and reminiscent of 12/31/10 and based off 6/23/00's Aminor -> Gmajor vamp) and the reigns are pulled in to segue (gotta give props for the modulation out of A major into D major for Weekapaug).  And for the love of God, Trey needs to learn to count quarter notes.  They still can't hit the halftime break down and pause in the composition section.  It's easy.  I know it's a minor detail, but it is crucial to the explosion that should happen to open up the jam section of Ghost. 

6) Hood gets very "Tahoe Tweezer-y."  It's interesting, but not new territory.  Perhaps this ambient section is the new plinko? 

7) I didn't listen to Julius, I would have bounced to get a $12 heady Topper on lot and a balloon. 

Overall, it's a lot better of a tour opener than
7/7/03
6/17/04
5/31/09
6/11/10
6/7/12
7/3/13

5/27/11 might be better.  I'd have to go back and listen.  I think they actually sound mildly cohesive.  I never heard a moment of Trey being lost.  His fingers sound slightly better.  There was actually diversity in his ability to lay out lead and rhythm.  I normally hate what he does in 3.0 Ghosts, but I found myself tapping a long.  I won't lie.  I still wish to hear a tape one day where everything he plays culminates in me pulling my hair out and mumbling over, and over "how and where in the fuck did that happen?"  Rest of the band sounded fine.  I thought Fish had a little rust. 

Defining difference between this, and say Summer '09 with the Joy material, is it actually sounds like Phish is pumped about playing these songs, where as summer and fall '09 would have periods of Phish morphing into the Treigh band.  And the energy just wasn't there.  Then again I'd fucking hate having to play My Problem Right There and all the HOAHB tunes when perfectly good music is getting dusty on a shelf too.  Only other concern I have is the complacency that could or can occur from reducing the catalog on tour.  I always enjoyed having covers and new covers unfold, it's part of the Phish experience, and a vital one at that.  And if this tour is that Fuego heavy, while I don't doubt the playing is better, it may literally become the same record every night.     

I'm looking forward to what they do with this SPAC run. 

[antelope19]

Good thoughts and thanks for sharing.

Yes, they said they were going to cut back on the covers this summer, but it's hard to say they've limited their catalogue after one show. Remember, never trust a prankster. Also, I doubt I'd be surprised if they're going to play 1/2 of the Fuego material every night.

[VDB]

mehead and I were cooking in the lot literally. 

Nice, what'd you eat?

[sophist]

Good thoughts and thanks for sharing.

Yes, they said they were going to cut back on the covers this summer, but it's hard to say they've limited their catalogue after one show. Remember, never trust a prankster. Also, I doubt I'd be surprised if they're going to play 1/2 of the Fuego material every night.

I got a pretty good feeling 7/3 gets tres Fuego songs tonight. 

[antelope19]

Good thoughts and thanks for sharing.

Yes, they said they were going to cut back on the covers this summer, but it's hard to say they've limited their catalogue after one show. Remember, never trust a prankster. Also, I doubt I'd be surprised if they're going to play 1/2 of the Fuego material every night.

I got a pretty good feeling 7/3 gets tres Fuego songs tonight.

Yeah, you might be right.  Get the new stuff out of the way so the 4th can be a total throw down of epcot proportions! 

[sophist]

back on topic

Good thoughts and thanks for sharing.

Yes, they said they were going to cut back on the covers this summer, but it's hard to say they've limited their catalogue after one show. Remember, never trust a prankster. Also, I doubt I'd be surprised if they're going to play 1/2 of the Fuego material every night.

I got a pretty good feeling 7/3 gets tres Fuego songs tonight.

Yeah, you might be right.  Get the new stuff out of the way so the 4th can be a total throw down of epcot proportions!

not to be THAT guy, but seriously, the last good July 4th show was 7/4/00

7/4/10 - pretty god damn awful
7/4/12 - incredibly god damn awful

7/4/99 had some good highlights, some slop too.  Batting 1/4 with the last four. 

You know how this goes.  My money is on 7/5 being the best of the weekend. 

[antelope19]

back on topic

Good thoughts and thanks for sharing.

Yes, they said they were going to cut back on the covers this summer, but it's hard to say they've limited their catalogue after one show. Remember, never trust a prankster. Also, I doubt I'd be surprised if they're going to play 1/2 of the Fuego material every night.

I got a pretty good feeling 7/3 gets tres Fuego songs tonight.

Yeah, you might be right.  Get the new stuff out of the way so the 4th can be a total throw down of epcot proportions!

not to be THAT guy, but seriously, the last good July 4th show was 7/4/00

7/4/10 - pretty god damn awful
7/4/12 - incredibly god damn awful

7/4/99 had some good highlights, some slop too.  Batting 1/4 with the last four. 

You know how this goes.  My money is on 7/5 being the best of the weekend.

Well, 07/04/00 happens to be the last 4th of July phish show I saw so......you know.....     :roll:

[DoW]

back on topic

Good thoughts and thanks for sharing.

Yes, they said they were going to cut back on the covers this summer, but it's hard to say they've limited their catalogue after one show. Remember, never trust a prankster. Also, I doubt I'd be surprised if they're going to play 1/2 of the Fuego material every night.

I got a pretty good feeling 7/3 gets tres Fuego songs tonight.

Yeah, you might be right.  Get the new stuff out of the way so the 4th can be a total throw down of epcot proportions!

not to be THAT guy, but seriously, the last good July 4th show was 7/4/00

7/4/10 - pretty god damn awful
7/4/12 - incredibly god damn awful

7/4/99 had some good highlights, some slop too.  Batting 1/4 with the last four. 

You know how this goes.  My money is on 7/5 being the best of the weekend.

the thing about the 7/4/00 show was the top highlights was the Jibboo and most people were sick of that song by that time.  but when you come out and play, everyone is happy.