god damn these guys are good!
how long will their undefeated streak last?
Quote from: redrum on December 03, 2007, 11:49:35 PM
god damn these guys are good!
how long will their undefeated streak last?
Come on. They are looking quite vulnerable lately. Had B-more not called time out on that 4th down play, this streak is over.
yeah, but they would have lost if that ref wouldnt have made that terrible call. True Im not a pats fan.. but im not a ravens fan either and I will say that that was not a TD.. it wasnt.. he was clearly juggling the ball when his right foot went out
Quote from: whyweigh2.5 on December 03, 2007, 11:50:59 PM
yeah, but they would have lost if that ref wouldnt have made that terrible call. True Im not a pats fan.. but im not a ravens fan either and I will say that that was not a TD.. it wasnt.. he was clearly juggling the ball when his right foot went out
Yeah, I'm not a fan of either team actually. I am hoping the dolphins get win number 1 against them in a few weeks. :-D
Quote from: whyweigh2.5 on December 03, 2007, 11:50:59 PM
yeah, but they would have lost if that ref wouldnt have made that terrible call. True Im not a pats fan.. but im not a ravens fan either and I will say that that was not a TD.. it wasnt.. he was clearly juggling the ball when his right foot went out
i completely disagree.
and i'm even not a huge football fan.
but it looked good to me.
Man, I don't know. It was awfully close.
you have to have complete control of the ball before you step out of bounds.. he had it on his fingertips.. but if you look closely as he steps out of bounds and he brings the ball to his chest.. you can see the ball separate from his arm and its just floating for a second.. watch the replays
blah blah blah.... sorry but the pats have that "something special" going on... and there's no way you can say they've looked vunerable when they win 38-7 every week... they've had a few closer games, but thats to be expected
be happy.. your team won. But at least acknowledge that that was not a td
hell, Im a STEELERS fan. Remember when we played Seattle in the SuperBowl and Ben ran that play in for a TD. Yeah we won.. but even i was telling people that it wasnt a touchdown.. i knew it wasnt. I sw the replays
the pats are far from being my team...
but give me a break... its a TD... called by the ref on the field... confirmed by replay.
well we can disagree then. IMO the only reason it was a TD is because it was originally called as that. And dont get me started on that inconclusive evidence BS they use. In this day in age with all that money and tech.. every play should have at least 5 great views of the play.. they know what happened
bah, whatevs
i think if i keep up in this thread im gonna get a few smites :-D
Quote from: whyweigh2.5 on December 04, 2007, 12:06:23 AM
every play should have at least 5 great views of the play..
they only needed one though.
the one they showed on TV..
Quote from: redrum on December 04, 2007, 12:10:26 AM
Quote from: whyweigh2.5 on December 04, 2007, 12:06:23 AM
every play should have at least 5 great views of the play..
they only needed one though.
the one they showed on TV..
well then that official is blind
Quote from: whyweigh2.5 on December 04, 2007, 12:10:01 AM
bah, whatevs
i think if i keep up in this thread im gonna get a few smites :-D
i don't smite.
..so feel free to express your delusional opinions all you want. :wink:
Quote from: whyweigh2.5 on December 04, 2007, 12:11:26 AM
Quote from: redrum on December 04, 2007, 12:10:26 AM
Quote from: whyweigh2.5 on December 04, 2007, 12:06:23 AM
every play should have at least 5 great views of the play..
they only needed one though.
the one they showed on TV..
well then that official is blind
so........now you're saying i am too?
if you didnt think he was juggling that ball when his right foot stepped out.... then.. yes 8-)
next week
next week...
that pats/eagles game surprised me.. this game somewhat surprised me... next week either the pats fix something or they are going to lose
ravens should have really saved that timeout too.. they could have went into OT with that
Quote from: whyweigh2.5 on December 04, 2007, 12:14:16 AM
if you didnt think he was juggling that ball when his right foot stepped out.... then.. yes 8-)
Quote from: whyweigh2.5 on December 04, 2007, 12:17:24 AM
next week...
next week...
next week.....the pats.....are going to lose
like i said,
Quote from: redrum on December 04, 2007, 12:11:51 AM
feel free to express your delusional opinions all you want.
:-D
well I am delusional and happy to be that way
i think we all are :-)
thanks 2 :phish:
I have no one but myself to blame
at least we can agree that we all are though..
:beers:
plus i think ive had a little too much too much tonight
since my fantasy team is Randy Moss/Donte Stallworth/Ben Watson - im down the the patriots
I'm biased but--
What was Billick thinking with that time out?
What was Faulk thinking the play before, goin out of bounds w/o contact 1 yard short of the marker.
The TD play was close. IMO it was a catch but could have gone either way. There was a little motion to the ball but I wouldn't call it a juggle. Even if it was overturned, the Pats have 3 more shots (from the 2 cause of the unsportsmanlike penalties).
What about the def holding call the play before? Even the home town NE sportscasters called that one questionable.
Quote from: whyweigh2.5 on December 04, 2007, 12:17:24 AM
next week
next week...
that pats/eagles game surprised me.. this game somewhat surprised me... next week either the pats fix something or they are going to lose
yep
I think the Steelers are gonna give the Pats a very tough game next week. The way the Eagles and the Ravens moved the ball, Big Ben scares me.
I think the Pats took the game too light. My guess is next week they look like a different team. Brady will throw for 5 TD's and the Steelers will lose 42-17.
Last night was gut wrenching. That was really hard to watch. :x :frustrated:
Classic Ravens. :roll:
They were so close.
Quote from: slslbs on December 04, 2007, 07:09:06 AM
I'm biased but--
What was Billick thinking with that time out?
What was Faulk thinking the play before, goin out of bounds w/o contact 1 yard short of the marker.
The TD play was close. IMO it was a catch but could have gone either way. There was a little motion to the ball but I wouldn't call it a juggle. Even if it was overturned, the Pats have 3 more shots (from the 2 cause of the unsportsmanlike penalties).
What about the def holding call the play before? Even the home town NE sportscasters called that one questionable.
Quote from: whyweigh2.5 on December 04, 2007, 12:17:24 AM
next week
next week...
that pats/eagles game surprised me.. this game somewhat surprised me... next week either the pats fix something or they are going to lose
yep
I think the Steelers are gonna give the Pats a very tough game next week. The way the Eagles and the Ravens moved the ball, Big Ben scares me.
I agree. I think next week is going to be very interesting. The defense showed how vulnerable they are against the run, but I also think MaGahee was extra pumped last night. The offense needs to get the running game back on track.
anyone else read MMQB-TE by peter king over at si.com?
here's the portion about the final minutes and the calls made by the officials.
QuoteLet's go over the four fourth-quarter calls, one by one.
• New England ball, fourth-and-1, Baltimore 30, 1:48 left, Baltimore up 24-20. At the last second before the snap, Baltimore defensive coordinator Rex Ryan calls timeout. The play went on, with Baltimore stuffing Tom Brady for a loss and, theoretically, that should have been New England's last gasp. One problem. Only the head coach is supposed to be able to call time on the sidelines. But in this case, the league has interpreted the rule on a last-millisecond timeout call that the side official cannot be responsible for seeing whether it's the head coach or another coach who calls time. So it's technically legal for Ryan to have called the timeout, and the league's point is the head coach is responsible for controlling his bench. In this case, Brian Billick has to be responsible for his sideline, and when Ryan calls time, the burden is on Billick to accept the call because it happened on the Baltimore sideline.
• New England ball, fourth-and-5, Baltimore 13, 55 seconds left, Baltimore up 24-20. Brady retreats to pass. From the right side of the line, tight end Ben Watson runs downfield into the end zone, with nickel back Jamaine Winborne riding him tightly downfield. Once Watson gets past the 8-yard line, it's illegal for Winborne to have anything but incidental contact with Watson, but he clearly has an arm on him well past the 8, and all the way into the end zone. Maybe the call should have been holding, maybe the call should have been illegal contact, but it was a legitimate call, not a ticky-tack one. Winborne impeded Watson's path. The back judge, Billy Smith, called holding, a five-yard penalty and automatic first down. I would have called illegal contact, but both penalties have the same impact, which is to give the Patriots a first-and-goal at the Baltimore 8. Great guts by Smith to make a call in that atmosphere.
• New England ball, first-and-goal, Baltimore 8, 50 seconds left. Brady throws to the left corner of the end zone for Jabar Gaffney, who catches the ball in front of his body with both hands while getting both feet down. During the time he gets both feet down, Gaffney moves the ball in front of him but never takes either gloved hand off the ball and never juggles the ball. It is ruled a touchdown, and there is a booth review ordered by replay official Dale Hamer. The play is reviewed by ref Walt Anderson and confirmed. Let's remember what replay is: It's to be used to overturn a call only if there is indisputable visual evidence that the call is wrong. There's no way you can look at this play -- and I've seen it 10 times, in slow-motion -- and say there's clear evidence he didn't have control of the ball.
• Baltimore ball, second-and-10, Baltimore 45, eight seconds left. Kyle Boller throws a Hail Mary to the 3-yard line, and, in the middle of the scrum, Baltimore wideout Derrick Mason puts his hands on Patriot cornerback Asante Samuel's shoulders and pulls Samuel down. Michael Clayton makes the catch and is tackled at the three. There is no flag. Big mistake. There certainly should have been offensive pass interference ... but even if that was the call, it would not have changed the outcome. Because the clock expired, and the game can end on an offensive penalty, the game would have been over without the Ravens having another chance to score.
That's about as heart-stopping an ending as any game can have. The Patriots might be lucky to be 12-0 right now, but none of the vital calls in the final minute of the game incorrectly helped them win.
i saw it the same way... the ravens basically blew it... shot themselves in the foot... and it was a TD
thanks. I didn't see the contact foul at the time - I'll watch again if they replay it. Those kind of penalties (pass interference, holding), imo, aren't gifts, but earned cause the opposing player beat you.
Quote from: jedifunk on December 04, 2007, 04:57:43 PM
i saw it the same way... the ravens basically blew it... shot themselves in the foot... and it was a TD
the other part of it is that the Pats, like any championship team, somehow find a way to take advantage of mistakes and win games they "should have" or could have lost.
last night's game was a classic.
what a game. what a finish. what a team!!
I was beat, went to bed at 11 thinking they got the loss that would make them hungry for the playoffs. Oops.
Quote from: jedifunk on December 03, 2007, 11:58:40 PM
blah blah blah.... sorry but the pats have that "something special" going on... and there's no way you can say they've looked vunerable when they win 38-7 every week... they've had a few closer games, but thats to be expected
I'm coming in late on this but when I got to this thread I had to chime in.
The Pats almost lost to the freakin Eagles.
nuff said.
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 05, 2007, 03:05:56 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on December 03, 2007, 11:58:40 PM
blah blah blah.... sorry but the pats have that "something special" going on... and there's no way you can say they've looked vunerable when they win 38-7 every week... they've had a few closer games, but thats to be expected
I'm coming in late on this but when I got to this thread I had to chime in.
The Pats almost lost to the freakin Eagles.
nuff said.
yeh, they've been fortunate to win the last two games. but you know, I think that it benefits them playing these close games and having to come back and all that (Indy had them beat for about 3.5 quarters, too). they are an old team, tho, so maybe the grind of the season is catching up with them. that fool safety for Pittsburgh should have kept his mouth shut...
I was just talking to someone about that. Smith needs to keep his trap shut.. who does he think he is guaranteeing a win. Even if you are confident you should go doing that on national TV
Quote from: whyweigh2.5 on December 06, 2007, 06:46:32 PM
I was just talking to someone about that. Smith needs to keep his trap shut.. who does he think he is guaranteeing a win. Even if you are confident you should go doing that on national TV
the last thing you want to be doing is giving those guys extra motivation.
Quote from: whyweigh2.5 on December 06, 2007, 06:46:32 PM
I was just talking to someone about that. Smith needs to keep his trap shut.. who does he think he is guaranteeing a win. Even if you are confident you should go doing that on national TV
IMO, its a non-story. Did you guys hear the actual interview? They took it out of context and the reporter was egging him on.
my prediction against the Steelers, 35-17 Pats. I think they are going to come out all fired up. Don't be surprised if they score 42.
Quote from: Guyute on December 08, 2007, 03:23:29 PM
my prediction against the Steelers, 35-17 Pats. I think they are going to come out all fired up. Don't be surprised if they score 42.
Don't know if they'll cover that spread, dude. 14-10 @ 5 min into 2nd Q ...
:-o
holy crap! please tell me yall saw the double latteral TD bomb. I'm sure Moss bobbling it was just how they drew it up.
Quote from: sunrisevt on December 09, 2007, 05:13:06 PM
Quote from: Guyute on December 08, 2007, 03:23:29 PM
my prediction against the Steelers, 35-17 Pats. I think they are going to come out all fired up. Don't be surprised if they score 42.
Don't know if they'll cover that spread, dude. 14-10 @ 5 min into 2nd Q ...
I stand corrected.
The Patriots are the new yankees
Quote from: antelope19 on December 10, 2007, 09:31:02 AM
The Patriots are the new yankees
?? huh?
they spend a little $$ for one season and now they are the yanks?
pu-lease
Yeah, They're the new yankees in that I despise them.
Did you see their post-game interviews per chance? I understand addressing the idiot who "guaranteed" a win against the best team to ever set foot on an NFL field, but what happened to winning with class? How about acting like you've been there before?
*
*cheated
well, michel vick gets out of jail soon, im sure they could fit him somewhere :wink:
Today marks the 25th anniversary of the Patriots' 3-0 win over the Dolphins at Schaefer Stadium in which stadium worker Mark Henderson used a John Deere tractor to clear a spot for John Smith's 33-yard field goal in what has become known as the "Snow Plow Game."
http://www.weather.com/multimedia/videoplayer.html?from=email&bcpid=823503751&bclid=861985479&bctid=861985435
Quote from: shoreline99 on December 12, 2007, 01:37:56 PM
Today marks the 25th anniversary of the Patriots' 3-0 win over the Dolphins at Schaefer Stadium in which stadium worker Mark Henderson used a John Deere tractor to clear a spot for John Smith's 33-yard field goal in what has become known as the "Snow Plow Game."
http://www.weather.com/multimedia/videoplayer.html?from=email&bcpid=823503751&bclid=861985479&bctid=861985435
We may have a similar game this weekend up there. They are calling for one heck of a snow storm.
Kind of nice that they have now found that the Jets were video taping as well. The Patriots gave the NFL a lot of evidence that was destroyed 48 hours later. The running theory is that it showed every team is cheating and it was easier to leave 1 team under the bus than back over everyone.
The jets are going to get pummeled. This should be an ugly game, I can't wait.
Quote from: Guyute on December 16, 2007, 12:51:10 AM
he Patriots gave the NFL a lot of evidence that was destroyed 48 hours later. The running theory is that it showed every team is cheating and it was easier to leave 1 team under the bus than back over everyone.
QFT. I heard that from a friend who works for NFL films as well.
going where no team has ever gone before!!! :banana:
:samurai: :samurai:
:beers:
:clap:
Bryant Gumble= Worst commentator ever :-P
Well folks, they've done it 16-0
Even though they lost, the G-men (even Eli) played a helluva game. And yes Bryant Gumble and Cris Collensworth are terrible.
Quote from: tehdead on December 30, 2007, 12:14:32 AM
Well folks, they've done it 16-0
congrats to the pats(excuse Matt :-P) but now can they execute a Super Bowl win? Don Shula is upset.
o yea Shula is livin right now :evil: :evil: :samurai: :samurai: :frustrated:
*
The NFL needs to retroactively go back and make the Pats forfeit their "win" against the Jets, thusly making them 15-1.
Quote from: tehdead on December 30, 2007, 12:18:33 AM
o yea Shula is livin right now :evil: :evil: :samurai: :samurai: :frustrated:
lol... Yes, he is livin' right now - I think you meant livid*
lol... spygate.. its a bunch of rubbish! every team in the nfl does it...
i'm not a patriots fan, but considering this may never happen again, i'm glad i was able to see it happen... i hope they win the superbowl
Quote from: thechad on December 30, 2007, 12:15:53 AM
Even though they lost, the G-men (even Eli) played a helluva game.
Eli may save his job if he keeps playing like that. can he do it????
Quote from: jedifunk on December 30, 2007, 10:13:22 AM
lol... spygate.. its a bunch of rubbish! every team in the nfl does it...
yep. they are allowed to tape from the stands, and everyone does. the Pats got caught taping from the field. I don't condone breaking the rules, but no way did a game turn on this.
regardless, they are a great team, but need to win the Super Bowl to earn a place in history.
Quote from: redrum on December 29, 2007, 10:53:57 PM
going where no team has ever gone before
Except Miami.
http://www.profootballhof.com/history/decades/1970s/miami.jsp
14 regular season games
exactly... 16 v 14.... those dolphins are pricks anyways.
By God, I love this team.
Here's to all the pats fans. Raise your glasses, we're toasting the best team Evar :beers:
u tell it like it is, jedi.
:beers:
:clap:
Dolphins would have won more games had they been scheduled.
Win the whole thing and take yer place on the same shelf.
with a *
Quote from: thechad on December 30, 2007, 12:15:53 AM
Even though they lost, the G-men (even Eli) played a helluva game. And yes Bryant Gumble and Cris Collensworth are terrible.
Totally--that was far and away the most fun game I've watched all season. And not just b/c of the records, or the Pats winning. Had they lost, I would have gone to bed happy--it was just an awesome game.
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 30, 2007, 11:15:03 AM
Dolphins would have won more games had they been scheduled.
I'll give you that--they probably would have.
Bring on the playoffs! :beers: for all!
This whole contention that "everybody did it" is so typically Red Sox nation.
Only in New England can you be caught cheating then have the media and fanbase turn you into a martyr.
You really think that if the Patriots had proof that another franchise was cheating they wouldn't turn them in to face the same penalties?
You think that Belicheck is falling on his sword, just so the NFL looks good?
Gimme' a break.
Quote from: mattstick on December 30, 2007, 11:27:32 AM
Only in New England can you be caught cheating then have the media and fanbase turn you into a martyr.
Barry Bonds?
We all know he was caught cheating. Just as we all know it didn't make one bit of difference.
Add all the asterisks you like...Most sports fans understand what the Pats have accomplished.
Quote from: mattstick on December 30, 2007, 11:27:32 AM
This whole contention that "everybody did it" is so typically Red Sox nation.
Gimme' a break.
the only thing "typical" is mattstick dragging redsox nation into this completely unrelated subject.
give
me a break.
someone will have to explain to me how being caught taping from the sidelines (as opposed to the stands) in the 1st game effected what happened this season.
other than motivate both the Pats and their opponents.
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 30, 2007, 11:15:03 AM
Dolphins would have won more games had they been scheduled.
Win the whole thing and take yer place on the same shelf.
with a *
that means just about as much as:
_______ would have done this if _______ would have done that.
..and the more i see you post your big "*" the more i'm starting to think you're taking it personally that its not the redskins.
Quote from: slslbs on December 30, 2007, 12:20:30 PM
someone will have to explain to me how being caught taping from the sidelines (as opposed to the stands) in the 1st game effected what happened this season.
other than motivate both the Pats and their opponents.
look for the *, that seems to explain everything.
Quote from: birdman on December 30, 2007, 12:04:20 PM
Quote from: mattstick on December 30, 2007, 11:27:32 AM
Only in New England can you be caught cheating then have the media and fanbase turn you into a martyr.
Barry Bonds?
We all know he was caught cheating. Just as we all know it didn't make one bit of difference.
Add all the asterisks you like...Most sports fans understand what the Pats have accomplished.
Everybody questions Barry Bonds' accomplishments, and rightly so. Clearly the Patriots haven't been given the same scrutiny, except by one or two people here.
well as a Giants fan, i'm proud of the way my team played. and the fact that we put up 35 pts against them gives me confidence going into Tampa Bay next week.
that being said, i'd have been happier NOT losing our starting center & linebacker...
Quote from: birdman on December 30, 2007, 11:04:22 AM
By God, I love this team.
Here's to all the pats fans. Raise your glasses, we're toasting the best team Evar :beers:
Don't count your chickens just yet. You're starting a new season where everyone is 0-0. I HIGHLY doubt you'll be singing the same tune WHEN your pats lose in the playoffs. You better hope you don't play Jax. My $$$$ is on the jags.
the jags to win it all?? are you kidding? they have exactly ZERO passing game... sorry but defense and running alone do not win championships... they are too one dimensional.
personally, if its not the pats, i say indy or the chargers.
If you believe that they only ran cams at one game, then you probably believe that Bonds only did steroids once or twice at parties.
:roll:
Did it affect this season if they had to stop videotaping after the opener? Anyone who knows football knows that it takes several seasons to build a great football team. One might suggest that past seasons' impropriety is what put them in position to field this very talented team.
oh, and this has nothing to do with the Redskins. I think you are going there because your team has performed an indefensible action.
I keep throwing up the '*' because I have no respect for cheats. It taints the game and disrespects the fans.
You'll see it in the Bonds & Steroids threads too.
heh, u said "taint" :lol:
Quote from: tet on December 30, 2007, 02:37:32 PM
heh, u said "taint" :lol:
I do my best to work it into everyday conversation.
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 30, 2007, 02:29:42 PM
If you believe that they only ran cams at one game, then you probably believe that Bonds only did steroids once or twice at parties.
:roll:
Did it affect this season if they had to stop videotaping after the opener? Anyone who knows football knows that it takes several seasons to build a great football team. One might suggest that past seasons' impropriety is what put them in position to field this very talented team.
The thing is, the Pats could of had a camera directly behind where the guy was standing, only 3 feet higher in the stands *legally*. How does taping from the field really make a difference? Other than the NFL saying "no"
Quote from: birdman on December 30, 2007, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 30, 2007, 02:29:42 PM
If you believe that they only ran cams at one game, then you probably believe that Bonds only did steroids once or twice at parties.
:roll:
Did it affect this season if they had to stop videotaping after the opener? Anyone who knows football knows that it takes several seasons to build a great football team. One might suggest that past seasons' impropriety is what put them in position to field this very talented team.
The thing is, the Pats could of had a camera directly behind where the guy was standing, only 3 feet higher in the stands *legally*. How does taping from the field really make a difference? Other than the NFL saying "no"
How about the ability to more directly transmit the information to the coaching staff?
Pick nits you want, it's still a pretty serious deal or it wouldn't have cost them so much in penalties.
ok - say they did it last year(may be true). say no one else does it (highly doubt it). Also, say that it give a major advantage over taping in the first row of the stands (also doubt it). Llike I said, I don't condone breaking the rules, I think the punishment fairly well suits the crime.
Half of the teams they played this year they didn't play last year. They couldn't have gotten that info on the skins, giants, cowboys, eagles, ravens, steelers, browns, and bengals.
Those that they did play - well, everyone in both baseball and football is on the lookout for sign stealing. that's why the coaches cover their mouths with the clipboard whenever they talk on the headset or to the QB. That's why every team with half a brain would change their signals regardless. certainly, if you thought the opposing teams stole your signals you would.
the league has to enforce the rules. no problem. but the pats had a great season and deserve the kudos, imo.
Regardless of their great season, they need to win the super bowl to make it mean something.
agreed... i don't think it gave them any competitive advantage... then again, why would they do it if it didnt...
either way, i think brady & co could score on fucking anyone... even the 85 bears! or 00 ravens
Quote from: slslbs on December 30, 2007, 07:27:59 PM
Regardless of their great season, they need to win the super bowl to make it mean something.
Quote from: jedifunk on December 30, 2007, 08:27:47 PM
either way, i think brady & co could score on fucking anyone... even the 85 bears!
I love that idea--sweet revenge. But I also agree with this--
Quote from: alcoholandcoffeebeans on December 30, 2007, 11:29:39 PM
Quote from: slslbs on December 30, 2007, 07:27:59 PM
Regardless of their great season, they need to win the super bowl to make it mean something.
It is all for not if you don't win the big one. Even when the Giants were getting the pressure there through the rookie, back up, left tackle the Pats adjusted. It was funny, they were saying during the game the quarterbacks have a clock in their heads and now they have 5 seconds or they are toast. Then they said Brady just change is clock, started releasing within 3 seconds and then they went on a scoring spree.
Quote from: jedifunk on December 30, 2007, 02:19:06 PM
the jags to win it all?? are you kidding? they have exactly ZERO passing game... sorry but defense and running alone do not win championships... they are too one dimensional.
personally, if its not the pats, i say indy or the chargers.
:-D You'll eat those words. :-P
Quote from: Guyute on December 31, 2007, 01:13:10 PM
It is all for not if you don't win the big one. Even when the Giants were getting the pressure there through the rookie, back up, left tackle the Pats adjusted. It was funny, they were saying during the game the quarterbacks have a clock in their heads and now they have 5 seconds or they are toast. Then they said Brady just change is clock, started releasing within 3 seconds and then they went on a scoring spree.
they just know how to win. Especially Brady.
Quote
Senator Arlen Specter wants NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to explain why the league destroyed tapes from the Patriots spygate scandal.
Specter said that Goodell would eventually be called before the committee, and that it was possible coaches and players could also have to testify. One person who might face the committee would be Matt Walsh, a Patriots employee between 1996-2003 who worked in the video department. "If I ever got brought in for a deposition or something, then I would just face the whole gauntlet of questions. There would be things I'd be forced to answer that some people haven't taken responsibility for," Walsh said.
:-o
Apparently, this isn't over.
*
18-0
Arlen Spector must be a Jets fan
Is Matt Walsh related to Rosemary Woods?
Again, rumor has it that the evidence they dumped in the commissioner's lap was of just about every team in the league doing the same thing. This i got a bit of a nod from by a buddy who works at NFL films. Apparently it had been, despite the claims of other teams, pretty standard throughout the league.
Which is why it was all destroyed. Or at least put in the government warehouse with the lost ark.
I love how the US gov't has nothing better to do these days than investigate baseball and football.
I will say again - THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY IN HELL THAT THE PATS WOULD "SIT" ON EVIDENCE THAT OTHER TEAMS ARE DOING THIS - ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE PENALTY THEY HAD TO TAKE (which wasn't anywhere close to strong enough).
The Patriots organization won't just fall on their sword and lose millions in cash and draft picks for the good of the NFL - I'm guessing your "source" at the NFL network is a Pats fan??
Quote from: mattstick on February 01, 2008, 02:52:00 PM
I love how the US gov't has nothing better to do these days than investigate baseball and football.
I will say again - THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY IN HELL THAT THE PATS WOULD "SIT" ON EVIDENCE THAT OTHER TEAMS ARE DOING THIS - ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE PENALTY THEY HAD TO TAKE (which wasn't anywhere close to strong enough).
The Patriots organization won't just fall on their sword and lose millions in cash and draft picks for the good of the NFL - I'm guessing your "source" at the NFL network is a Pats fan??
Nope. Actually, a Colts fan.
Don't you think that 18-0 and a Superbowl is good enough payback for the lost cash and draft picks?
I'm just sayin....
Would you go to jail for someone else, even if it meant you had a good couple of months?
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perhaps you'd like one of these?
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Quote from: rowjimmy on February 01, 2008, 05:57:11 PM
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perhaps you'd like one of these?
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damn...
where'd this smart ass come from today?!?!
:wink:
:lol:
RJ just let me down with his baby asterisk :wink:
it actually made me laugh, I bet it's cause he posted from his phone...
Twas from my phone.
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That better?
Your phone can't do size tags?
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from the NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/02/sports/football/02nfl.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&ref=sports&pagewanted=print
QuoteFebruary 2, 2008
Goodell Defends Handling of Patriots' Spying Case
By JUDY BATTISTA
PHOENIX — N.F.L. Commissioner Roger Goodell said Friday he was willing to meet with Senator Arlen Specter, who Thursday said he would call Mr. Goodell before the Senate Judiciary Committee to explain why the league destroyed the tapes from its investigation into spying by the New England Patriots.
Mr. Specter, a Republican from Pennsylvania and a longtime Philadelphia Eagles fan, is the ranking minority member on the committee.
Mr. Goodell, speaking at his annual state of the league address before Super Bowl XLII, defended his decision to destroy six tapes and pages of notes taken from the Patriots after they were caught videotaping the defensive signals of Jets coaches during the first game of the season. Mr. Goodell said that one tape was made during the 2007 preseason and the rest were from the 2006 season. He said there was no indication the tapes might have benefited the Patriots during their three Super Bowl victories. And he said he believed that the practice of trying to steal opposing coaches' signals by videotaping was not uncommon. On one tape, Mr. Goodell said, an opposing coach was seen waving at the camera, indicating that he knew he was being taped.
The decision to destroy the tapes was driven, in part, by a concern that they could be leaked to the public, Mr. Goodell said. In fact, the tape from the Jets game was leaked. And Mr. Goodell said he wanted to assure that if any tapes surfaced in the future, he would know that the Patriots had not given him everything when he had asked for it.
"The reason I destroyed the tapes is they were totally consistent with what the team told me," Mr. Goodell said. "It was the appropriate thing to do and I think it sent a message.
"The actual effectiveness of taping and taking of signals from opponents — it is something done widely in many sports. I think it probably had limited, if any, effect on the outcome of games. That doesn't change my perspective on violating rules and the need to be punished."
The Patriots' owner, Robert Kraft, sat in the audience but he declined to comment when he was asked about Mr. Specter. Coach Bill Belichick said it was a league matter. Mr. Belichick was fined $500,000 and the Patriots $250,000, and the Patriots lost their first-round pick in the 2008 draft.
According to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics and its Web site, opensecrets.org, Mr. Specter has received $100,000 in campaign contributions since 2003 from the political action committee, owners or employees of Comcast Corp., the Philadelphia-based cable operator that is engaged, along with other cable companies, in a contentious battle with the N.F.L. over distribution of the NFL Network.
When Mr. Goodell was asked whether he thought Mr. Specter's relationship with Comcast was a factor in his desire to call him before the Judiciary Committee, Mr. Goodell laughed and said, "I'm not addressing that point."
Mr. Specter first wrote Mr. Goodell about the tapes Nov. 15 and again in December but the letters, the N.F.L. said, were sent to the league's general fax number. The league said it could not account for the receipt of the faxed letters, the N.F.L.'s executive vice president for public affairs and communications Joe Browne said. The N.F.L. never received the letters by regular mail or by e-mail. The league said it only became aware of the issue last week, when a lawyer asked the league's Washington office if it was aware of the letters. Mr. Specter said the N.F.L. told him last week that it would respond after the Super Bowl. Mr. Specter decided to go public Thursday, four days before the Patriots play the Giants.
Mr. Browne said the N.F.L. had been in contact with Mr. Specter's office several times in recent weeks about "everything from routine legislative matters to Super Bowl ticket requests but the issue of these letters was not discussed, either by us or by his office."
Mr. Specter said Thursday that because the N.F.L. has an antitrust exemption in relation to its television contract, the public is entitled to be sure about the integrity of the game. And he compared the destruction of the Patriots' tapes to the C.I.A.'s destruction of tapes showing the interrogation of terrorism suspects.
"I do believe that it is a matter of importance," Mr. Specter said at a news conference in Washington on Friday. "It's not going to displace the stimulus package or the Iraq war, but I think the integrity of football is very important, and I think the National Football League has a special duty to the American people and, in turn, to the Congress because they have an antitrust exemption."
Mr. Browne said, "We are having a hard time at this point trying to connect the dots between the violation of an internal N.F.L. policy and that same broadcast exemption."
N.F.L. owners, some of whom were in attendance at Mr. Goodell's news conference, have supported him in his handling of the spying controversy. Mr. Kraft said he thought the punishment was too harsh. But three other owners, in interviews earlier this week, endorsed the destruction of the tapes. Jim Irsay, the owner of the Indianapolis Colts, said he spoke to Mr. Goodell about the tapes only a few weeks ago because he was concerned about the perception that the league was trying to hide something by destroying them. Mr. Goodell gave Mr. Irsay the same explanation he gave to reporters Friday.
"It's not sweeping anything under the rug," Mr. Irsay said. "You dish out punishment and people abide by the punishment and people have to go forward. You can't keep punishing people over and over again."
The Pittsburgh Steelers' owner, Daniel Rooney, one of Mr. Goodell's closest confidants, talked to Mr. Goodell before he decided how to punish the Patriots. He, too, favored getting rid of the tapes. On Friday, Mr. Rooney was asked what he thought about Mr. Specter, who represents Mr. Rooney's state.
"Do you want me to go to jail?" Mr. Rooney replied.
He then added, "He didn't get my vote."
Quote from: mattstick on February 01, 2008, 09:17:32 PM
Your phone can't do size tags?
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It can if I'm not too lazy to type them.
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According to a source, a member of the team's video department filmed the Rams' final walkthrough before that 2002 game. The next day, the Patriots upset St. Louis, 20-17, on a last-second field goal by Adam Vinatieri for their first championship.
That's just shameful. If I lived in New England I'd hang my head low today...
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** cheated
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Senator Arlen Specter told the AP Wednesday that commissioner Roger Goodell informed him Bill Belichick has been illegally spying since 2000.
That's when Belichick took over as Patriots coach. Per Specter, Goodell said Belichick claims he believed videotaping of other teams was legal. It's still unclear what Belichick taped and which games were affected. Feb. 13 - 9:01 pm et
:-o
Give'em back. Give them ALL back.
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http://www.postgazette.com/pg/08046/857665-66.stm#
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Specter: Patriots filmed Steelers 4 times
Friday, February 15, 2008
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter said yesterday that he has a list of witnesses and will pursue the "Spygate" case against the New England Patriots that he said involved four games against the Steelers, including two AFC championship games.
"I think Steelers fans have a lot to be concerned about this and I'm one of them,'' Mr. Specter told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in an interview yesterday, adding that "maybe Steelers ownership should think about it a little."
Specter met with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell for more than an hour Wednesday to discuss why evidence turned over by the Patriots that documented their illegal videotaping of opposing coaches' signals was destroyed. He said he was not satisfied with Mr. Goodell's explanation.
"I questioned him very closely why they destroyed the tapes and notes,'' said Mr. Specter, a Republican and the senior senator from Pennsylvania. "He gave an answer that made no sense, saying they destroyed them so no one could gain a competitive advantage. But if they put them under lock and key, they couldn't have access to them."
Greg Aiello, NFL senior vice president of public relations, referred to Mr. Goodell's news conference on Wednesday, where the commissioner said, "I think we are going to agree to disagree on certain things, including my view that we had an admission of guilt and, therefore, there was no reason for the tapes to be kept."
Mr. Specter said he specifically asked if they had any notes on the Steelers that were destroyed, and said NFL lawyer Jeffrey Pass indicated notes turned over by the Patriots indicated that four games were involved -- the AFC championship games in Heinz Field at the end of the 2001 and 2004 seasons, and two regular-season games in 2002 and 2004. The Steelers lost three of those games, winning in the regular season in 2004.
"The commissioner confirmed the taping had been going on since the year 2000,'' Mr. Specter said. "He made no valid explanation for [destroying the evidence]. There are a couple other major problems he had, to say the least."
One problem, the senator said, is that Mr. Goodell imposed a $500,000 fine on Patriots coach Bill Belichick, a $250,000 fine on the team and docked them a first-round draft pick this year before the commissioner learned New England's illegal taping had been more widespread.
The commissioner issued the punishment after a Patriots cameraman was caught taping signals of the New York Jets in their first meeting this season. He then ordered the Patriots to turn over any evidence they had of such taping, including notes. Afterward, no other evidence of illegal taping was mentioned by the league at the time.
"The taping occurred on Sept. 9,'' Mr. Specter noted. "He imposed the fine on the 13th, didn't get the material until the 17th and destroyed it on the 20th. He imposed the fine before he had the notes and tapes.''
Mr. Specter said he may hold hearings into the case, which also possibly involved the Philadelphia Eagles, who lost to the Patriots in the Super Bowl after the 2004 season.
He said one witness he's talking to is Matt Walsh, the former Patriots video director who may have been involved in taping the St. Louis Rams' walk-through practice the day before they lost to the Patriots on Feb. 3, 2002.
"Matt Walsh is the guy who supposedly taped the walk-through on the Rams game,'' Mr. Specter said. "The picture's starting to fit together. I've been talking to Walsh's lawyer.''
Mr. Specter said the lawyer indicated Mr. Walsh was being investigated "by a guy named Dick Farley, who is an NFL security guy and a former FBI agent.
"I asked Goodell about it and he said Farley does work for NFL security but that he didn't know anything about it.
"The plot thickens.''
Mr. Aiello said yesterday that Mr. Farley is looking at public records and verifying Mr. Walsh's employment history.
Mr. Specter said he's been informed that the practice of Mr. Belichick's staff illegally taping opposing coaches goes back to his days in the 1990s when he coached the old Cleveland Browns. He said Mr. Goodell told him they never looked into that.
"When you have a pattern,'' Mr. Specter said, "you look for when the pattern started.''
The senator said Mr. Goodell told him he has no more plans to investigate "Spygate.''
"He has a fair-sized stone wall erected,'' Mr. Specter said.
Said Mr. Goodell at his news conference Wednesday, "We're not following up; the senator said he wants to follow up."
Former Steelers coach Bill Cowher, reached at his home in North Carolina yesterday, said:
"Is it an advantage to steal signals? Yes. Did it determine the outcome of the game? No.''
Steelers spokesman Dave Lockett also said that club officials believe that the results of the game did not hinge on stolen signals.
When new Steelers coach Mike Tomlin first heard about the incident with the New England cameraman in New York, he said at his weekly press conference, "Where there's smoke, there's fire.''
To those who believe the NFL is trying to cover up and minimize "Spygate," Mr. Goodell said Wednesday, "We are the ones who discovered the violation and disclosed it. If we were trying to cover something up, we wouldn't have taken the discipline we did and we wouldn't have brought the situation to light. We have been very clear about what happened. There was a violation of our policy."
Ed Bouchette can be reached at ebouchette@post-gazette.com.
First published on February 15, 2008 at 12:00 am
This is an even more ridiculous waste of Congress than the steroid investigation. We need to get Mrs. Gore back up there to censor music too.
Quote from: Guyute on February 15, 2008, 10:33:25 PM
This is an even more ridiculous waste of Congress than the steroid investigation. We need to get Mrs. Gore back up there to censor music too.
I certainly agree that this is a ridiculous waste of our government's resources.
if Specter wants to pursue this, he should resign his post and start a private investigation.
My sister lives in Pburgh - I asked my bro in law if Spector has been taking any shit in the press for wasting taxpayers $. He said the people there hate the Pats so much they didn't care.
doesn't make much sense to me.
Amazing isn't it? I wish they would spend half this effort on education, health care, child services, etc. Cut the pork bellies and you won't need to raise taxes to do it.
QuotePats, Kraft, Belichick sued for $100M
Former Ram seeks compensation for Super Bowl loss
Posted: Friday February 15, 2008 5:49PM; Updated: Friday February 15, 2008 6:46PM
NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- A lawsuit filed Friday by a former St. Louis Rams player and others seeks millions of dollars in damages from the alleged taping of Rams practices by the New England Patriots before the 2002 Super Bowl.
The Patriots won the game 20-17 in the Superdome.
The $100 million suit, filed on behalf of former Rams player Willie Gary in U.S. District Court in New Orleans, names the Patriots, team owner Robert Kraft and head coach Bill Belichick.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/02/15/patriots.sued.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
^^^Good--civil court's the place for it. Let the CNN legal team get fat off it, and let's all hope the goddam U.S. congress gets its goddam priorities straight...
too many friggin lawsuits in this country, imo
they already paid a hefty fine. If it turns out worse than initially thought, make 'em pay more, banish Belichek from football a la Pete Rose, whatever. But a $100 mill suit seems kinda silly.
also, imo we need to make sure this wasn't widespread with other teams. it doesn't make it any less wrong, but if everyone was doing it than there is no competitive advantage. ie if we're playing cards and we both see each others hands, it's still cheating but there's no net benefit.
Well, yeah, I agree. I just want the Senate and House policing the attempt at building an imperial presidency, not steroid & video scandals.
definitely
The Federal government has a mandate to oversee the NFL because of it's exemption from Anti-Trust laws.
Not to mention the integrity of the NFL is tied into millions of dollars won and lost in both legal and illegal gambling.
Quote from: mattstick on February 16, 2008, 11:53:46 AM
The Federal government has a mandate to oversee the NFL because of it's exemption from Anti-Trust laws.
Not to mention the integrity of the NFL is tied into millions of dollars won and lost in both legal and illegal gambling.
True. But the fact remains that there are far more important tasks on the calendars of senators.
Brady is back and the team is strong.
Anyone else down with the return of the DyNASTY?
I didn't get to watch most of the game last night, but from what I did see I really didn't think that they looked THAT great
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can we lock this thread already? :roll:
Merge please: http://week4paug.net/index.php?topic=7835.120
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Quote from: whyweigh4.0 on September 15, 2009, 02:36:22 PM
I didn't get to watch most of the game last night, but from what I did see I really didn't think that they looked THAT great
Really, I thought there were some direct relations between Trey and Brady last night.
Two former champs trying to return to the top of their game.
1st qtr. and a half Brady's out there on the stage realizing just how rusty he really his.
Into half time and 2nd qtr. he stars clicking and people realize that its all in his head and if he can work that old swagger then maybe he can have a chance (to win the game, the season or the Super Bowl?....you pick)
And then BOOM.....when its late in the 4th. just look the F out 'cause the train is a rollin' and BAM its better than you had even hoped for.
The best part being that you remember that this is how it really was all along. All teams face obstacles....champions overcome them
(Phish or the Pats)
This is why the Pats rule. It aint always pretty, but they always find a way to get there.
SER? :shakehead:
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God asks Peyton Manning first: "What do you believe?" Peyton thinks long and hard, looks God in the eye, and says, "I believe in hard work, and in staying true to family and friends. I believe in giving. I was lucky, but I always tried to do right by my fans."
God can't help but see the essential goodness of Manning, and offers him a seat to his left.
Then God turns to Tony Romo and says, "What do you believe?"
Tony says, "I believe passion, discipline, courage and honor are the fundamentals of life. I, too, have been lucky, but win or lose, I've always tried to be a true sportsman, both on and off the playing fields."
God is greatly moved by Tony's sincere eloquence, and he offers him a seat to his right.
Finally, God turns to Tom Brady: "And you, Tom, what do you believe?"
Tom replies, "I believe you're in my seat."
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Dude, take off your rose colored glasses for a minute and admit that the Pats got lucky. Tom Brady played scared last night. We saw it at home, the commentators talked about it, but apparently Pats fans somehow didn't see it? It's completely natural for someone who suffered a MAJOR knee injury to look timid in his first game back. Bodies are flying all around you and you're scared that someone is gonna roll up on your knee again. But seriously, all that return guy for the Bills needed to do at the end of the game was take a knee. They get the ball at the 20, Freddy Jackson gets 3 carries as he had been running/catching passes all over your defense last night and the game is over. Instead, he runs out of the endzone, fumbles the ball and the rest is history. The Pats got out-played last night in just about every aspect of the game and were lucky to eek out a win at home.
well, that is how the two 3.0 shows i attended this year turned out.... :-P
Quote from: Bobafett on September 15, 2009, 03:02:26 PM
can we lock this thread already? :roll:
also, nice joke sf! :-)
Quote from: antelope19 on September 15, 2009, 03:47:14 PM
Dude, take off your rose colored glasses for a minute and admit that the Pats got lucky. Tom Brady played scared last night. We saw it at home, the commentators talked about it, but apparently Pats fans somehow didn't see it? It's completely natural for someone who suffered a MAJOR knee injury to look timid in his first game back. Bodies are flying all around you and you're scared that someone is gonna roll up on your knee again. But seriously, all that return guy for the Bills needed to do at the end of the game was take a knee. They get the ball at the 20, Freddy Jackson gets 3 carries as he had been running/catching passes all over your defense last night and the game is over. Instead, he runs out of the endzone, fumbles the ball and the rest is history. The Pats got out-played last night in just about every aspect of the game and were lucky to eek out a win at home.
I could see it this way if this game was the exception. But this is how they have been winning the majority of their games for the last 8 years.
Sure, they come out and blow teams out by 30+ pts. now and then, but you cannot get the number of wins and championships that they have in the last decade without winning the majority of close games that you are involved in.
This is what they do.
:-) I hope you're not offended by my comments.
I just didn't think the Pats played all that well last night against an average Bills team.
Quote from: antelope19 on September 15, 2009, 03:47:14 PM
The Pats got out-played last night in just about every aspect of the game and were lucky to eek out a win at home.
Wrong. Look at the numbers. They are far superior than the Bills in most categories. Sure they couldn't finish drives and had trouble converting third downs and even the fourth when they went for it. But this was the timing rust and not an inability to understand what has to happen. You're just scared because you are aware that in about five games the machine will be firing on all cylinders and essentially you are all $#@.
By the way, I will never be offended by sports talk.
Quote from: antelope19 on September 15, 2009, 04:06:21 PM
:-) I hope you're not offended by my comments.
I just didn't think the Pats played all that well last night against an average Bills team.
Its all good here man.
I also think the Bills end up making the wildcard in the playoffs.
No?
Quote from: rickjamesstjames on September 15, 2009, 04:11:22 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on September 15, 2009, 04:06:21 PM
:-) I hope you're not offended by my comments.
I just didn't think the Pats played all that well last night against an average Bills team.
Its all good here man.
I also think the Bills end up making the wildcard in the playoffs.
No?
The Bills played much better than I expected, but its still early to say.
Quote from: rickjamesstjames on September 15, 2009, 04:11:22 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on September 15, 2009, 04:06:21 PM
:-) I hope you're not offended by my comments.
I just didn't think the Pats played all that well last night against an average Bills team.
Its all good here man.
I also think the Bills end up making the wildcard in the playoffs.
No?
It's certainly possible, but you gotta think the odds are against them. I mean, the AFC is stacked with talented teams. You've got TN, JAX, Indy, Balt, Pitt, NE, San Diego, hell even the Jets looked good in their debut. Rex Ryan has whipped that defense into shape. The AFC is tough this year!
winning teams know how to win, even when they get outplayed.
the bills were so close!!!!! :frustrated: but were used to the :samurai: by now :|
Quote from: slslbs on September 15, 2009, 04:30:30 PM
winning teams know how to win, even when they get outplayed.
I couldn't agree with you more. The same can be said about bad teams. They find ways to lose. In this case, it was Leodis McKelvin not taking a knee.
You all do realize in your criticism of Brady that he had something like the second or third most passing yards for a quarterback in MNF history?
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on September 16, 2009, 09:21:56 AM
You all do realize in your criticism of Brady that he had something like the second or third most passing yards for a quarterback in MNF history?
It was against the bills. So accouting for that it really isn't even a top 10 performance. :-P
Two words. Plaxico Burress
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Quote from: antelope19 on September 15, 2009, 04:48:40 PM
Quote from: slslbs on September 15, 2009, 04:30:30 PM
winning teams know how to win, even when they get outplayed.
I couldn't agree with you more. The same can be said about bad teams. They find ways to lose. In this case, it was Leodis McKelvin not taking a knee.
That was a straight up stupid move on his part and he definatly lost his team the game.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on September 16, 2009, 09:21:56 AM
You all do realize in your criticism of Brady that he had something like the second or third most passing yards for a quarterback in MNF history?
He is also on the verge of tying the record for consecutive wins when he starts the game. He has 21, McMahon has 22. Not a bad record to have...
Quote from: Mr Minor on September 16, 2009, 10:55:40 AM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on September 16, 2009, 09:21:56 AM
You all do realize in your criticism of Brady that he had something like the second or third most passing yards for a quarterback in MNF history?
He is also on the verge of tying the record for consecutive wins when he starts the game. He has 21, McMahon has 22. Not a bad record to have...
I am not a Pats fan at all, but Brady deserves respect.
I thought it was seriously funny when he tried to walk out of the win on MNF without talking to the field reporter to get the "I'm going to disney world!" moment because he was so angry at himself/his team.
Quote from: Mr Minor on September 16, 2009, 10:55:40 AM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on September 16, 2009, 09:21:56 AM
You all do realize in your criticism of Brady that he had something like the second or third most passing yards for a quarterback in MNF history?
He is also on the verge of tying the record for consecutive wins when he starts the game. He has 21, McMahon has 22. Not a bad record to have...
uh.... not counting the SB FAIL?
It's most likely a regular season record.
Quote from: guyforget on September 16, 2009, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: Mr Minor on September 16, 2009, 10:55:40 AM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on September 16, 2009, 09:21:56 AM
You all do realize in your criticism of Brady that he had something like the second or third most passing yards for a quarterback in MNF history?
He is also on the verge of tying the record for consecutive wins when he starts the game. He has 21, McMahon has 22. Not a bad record to have...
uh.... not counting the SB FAIL?
Yeah, regular season. Sorry.
then, in my opinion, that record = WEAK
regular season wins dont mean shit if you cant win the big one
its like when a college team wins their conference tournament (bball or fball) and another team's fans keep saying "yeah, but we won the regular season..."
you can have the season, tournament / playoffs / super bowl is the crown.
Quote from: guyforget on September 16, 2009, 11:50:50 AM
then, in my opinion, that record = WEAK
regular season wins dont mean shit if you cant win the big one
its like when a college team wins their conference tournament (bball or fball) and another team's fans keep saying "yeah, but we won the regular season..."
you can have the season, tournament / playoffs / super bowl is the crown.
You are aware that while we missed that SB, Brady has won three others on top of having some pretty cool stats.
Here, to help you put a smile on your face today :lol:
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oh yeah, totally aware of brady's accomplishments, nobody can deny that.
just saying that that record is a little "meh" because regular season wins dont add up to squat when he lost the biggest game of his life in the middle of that streak. and yes, i do believe that was the biggest game of his life, for real.
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Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on September 16, 2009, 09:26:32 AM
Two words. Plaxico Burress
:clap:
2 words...Don't care. :-P
I also believe it was the G-men that beat them in the Super Bowl...so...I think I still retain bragging rights. :-D
If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough
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Quote from: UncleEbinezer on September 16, 2009, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on September 16, 2009, 09:26:32 AM
Two words. Plaxico Burress
:clap:
2 words...Don't care. :-P
I also believe it was the G-men that beat them in the Super Bowl...so...I think I still retain bragging rights. :-D
You're both right, because the Patriots have lost more Super Bowls in the last decade that your team has gotten into.
Next someones gonna hate on Larry Bird for dropping a couple championiships to Magic.
Gisele has the other ring under her pillow!
Right now you are not really gonna win the argument. The Giants and Pats both have 3 Super Bowl wins, with the G-Men winning that with the head to head.
Wait, are we discussing total number of Superbowl wins? or just recent wins?
Quote from: antelope19 on September 16, 2009, 03:49:06 PM
Wait, are we discussing total number of Superbowl wins? or just recent wins?
Total and yes we know that you have 3 also...but the Skins still suck (except for Doug Williams)
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bitches....
Quote from: guyforget on September 16, 2009, 04:11:18 PM
[size=8]SIXBURGH[/size]
bitches....
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Quote from: Superfreakie on September 16, 2009, 04:17:54 PM
Quote from: guyforget on September 16, 2009, 04:11:18 PM
[size=8]SIXBURGH[/size]
bitches....
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so who exactly is being accused of steroid use here? Manny and Papi?
Former coach Jim Haslett (from the Post-Gazette.com story):
Haslett admitted to using performance-enhancing drugs when he played and estimated that 50 percent of the NFL players in the 1980s -- including all of the linemen -- were users. He also said he believed the rampant use of steroids started with the Steelers of the 1970s, a contention that instantly made him something of a pariah in his hometown. The backlash was so sudden and so acute that Haslett felt the need to apologize the next day for mentioning the Steelers.
Or as quoted (same article) from Steve Furness's book:
Courson exonerated the Steelers' defensive linemen -- "In those days, few defensive linemen did [steroids]," he wrote -- which is why L.C. Greenwood could go on a national radio show the other day and say, with good conscience, that Haslett's assertion was the damnedest thing he ever heard.
But Courson also wrote that 75 percent of the Steelers' offensive linemen took steroids at one time or another and would sit around as a group discussing their usage the way other men might discuss their wife or girlfriend, a night at the bar or a good hunting trip.
"Disgruntled players throughout the league called us the 'Steroid Team,' as if performance-enhancing drugs were the sole reason for our success," Courson wrote, adding how maniacal the Steelers' linemen were in the weight room.
lol if you think the steelers were the only ones juicing in the 70's. they might be the highest profile juicers, only because of the championships, but they certainly werent the only ones. but since the NFL didnt even start testing players for steroids until the late 80's, nobody knows for sure.
nice selective quoting, though, as haslett is also on the record as saying:
Quote"That's because it wasn't illegal then. That was my point. You had so many people using them because they were legal. I talked about it to show how far our league has come. We have the best policy anywhere on steroids."
QuoteHaslett estimated half the league's players, and all its linemen, took steroids in the 1980s before they were banned by the league. The league began testing for steroids in 1987, but players weren't suspended for using them until 1989. The league started using random, year-round drug testing in 1990.
but seriously, saying that the steelers were the only ones juicing in the 70's and 80's is like saying that doc gooden and darrell strawberry were the only players in mlb blowing rails in the 80's.
hasletts remarks wouldnt have gotten so much attention if it wasnt for them being made in the midst of mlb's steroid-gate. people knew in the 70's and 80's, and since they werent illegal, people didnt really care.
Quote from: guyforget on September 16, 2009, 05:23:29 PM
lol if you think the steelers were the only ones juicing in the 70's. they might be the highest profile juicers, only because of the championships, but they certainly werent the only ones.
Agreed, however from those who were there, it seems like they had mastered the art.
Isn't this thread about the Pats?
Let's keep it on topic, folks.
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Dammit, where's the smite button? :x
:-D
Quote from: rowjimmy on September 16, 2009, 08:48:39 PM
Isn't this thread about the Pats?
Let's keep it on topic, folks.
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yeah, to be honest, with all of the brady love going on out there to annoy me, i had forgotten all about camera-gate
Quote from: guyforget on September 16, 2009, 09:44:03 PM
yeah, to be honest, with all of the brady love going on out there to annoy me, i had forgotten all about camera-gate
Did you say Brady love. Just what the doctor ordered; fight hate with the Brady.
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Brady's still not in sync with his receivers. The Jets have done nothing and are winning. Reminds me of Nebraska's inability to score TDs yesterday afternoon.
ha ha. :samurai:
Quote from: Bobafett on September 21, 2009, 02:40:41 PM
ha ha. :samurai:
Jets fans ready to raise a banner in September?
ha ha, indeed! :lol: :-P
:frustrated:
not that it matters, but i just spotted this, and thought you all would enjoy. :-)
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I didn't watch ESPN for a month after that game. :x
But it's ancient history now. Right now I'm worried about when Mayo will return. And whether Brady and Galloway can get on the same page so that the offense isn't an injury to Welker away from being meaningless.
I hope the league is ready, cause the Matinee Idol is up to his old tricks again while the Grand Wizard's pieces from a year ago are gelling alongside the picks. Last year, I didn't worry too much as I knew they were preparing for this one. Gonna be a great year.....here comes the second dynasty.
Quote from: Superfreakie on August 22, 2010, 07:26:49 PM
I hope the league is ready, cause the Matinee Idol is up to his old tricks again while the Grand Wizard's pieces from a year ago are gelling alongside the picks. Last year, I didn't worry too much as I knew they were preparing for this one. Gonna be a great year.....here comes the second dynasty.
in Bill we trust!
So, I was impressed today. The running game and defense both looked better than I expected.
Also Logan Mankins is a nut job!
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8358166/source-new-england-patriots-logan-mankins-played-11-torn-acl
Quote from: Undermind on September 09, 2012, 06:34:52 PM
So, I was impressed today. The running game and defense both looked better than I expected.
Also Logan Mankins is a nut job!
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8358166/source-new-england-patriots-logan-mankins-played-11-torn-acl
It's been a long time since the Pats have had a RB with that much burst. And the three top picks from the draft made big time plays for the D. I think I'm in love with Chandler Jones.
Looking forward to the Super Bowl.
Quote from: Superfreakie on September 12, 2012, 01:51:20 PM
Looking forward to the Super Bowl.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard I just hope we don't end up playing the Giants again!
Quote from: Undermind on September 12, 2012, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on September 12, 2012, 01:51:20 PM
Looking forward to the Super Bowl.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard I just hope we don't end up playing the Giants again!
Not to worry, they're on their regularly scheduled Super Bowl swoon. Win one year; miss the playoffs the next.
Quote from: Superfreakie on September 12, 2012, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: Undermind on September 12, 2012, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on September 12, 2012, 01:51:20 PM
Looking forward to the Super Bowl.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard I just hope we don't end up playing the Giants again!
Not to worry, they're on their regularly scheduled Super Bowl swoon. Win one year; miss the playoffs the next.
yeah probably
First, I'd like to disclose that I'm not a Pats fan. Second, what's the deal/status/situation with Welker?
Quote from: zimbra on September 12, 2012, 03:28:14 PM
First, I'd like to disclose that I'm not a Pats fan. Second, what's the deal/status/situation with Welker?
no real situation... He doesn't have a long term contract and he didn't catch many balls in week 1.
http://bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1061159675&srvc=sports&position=2
Quote from: zimbra on September 12, 2012, 03:28:14 PM
First, I'd like to disclose that I'm not a Pats fan. Second, what's the deal/status/situation with Welker?
There's currently a lot of debate, but with a new OC, most people think his production and playing time are going to see a significant decrease. Welker used to be their run game(ie, the short passes over the middle). They now seem to have a legit RB and are taking more of a vertical approach to the passing game with Lloyd. But yeah, as undermined stated, it's only the first week so time will tell.
With both tight ends on the field constantly and the new RB I was beginning to wonder about the amount of targets he will get. It has only be one week but I was still curious if there was any rumors on the new OC scheme around Welker.
Quote from: zimbra on September 12, 2012, 03:39:11 PM
With both tight ends on the field constantly and the new RB I was beginning to wonder about the amount of targets he will get. It has only be one week but I was still curious if there was any rumors on the new OC scheme around Welker.
There are simply more weapons on the field now. More schemes opponents have to defend against. One or two players being focus of an offense does not win SB's. Injuries always occur and, as was proven last year, do you really think the Patriots lose the SB if Gronk is healthy? The more the merrier. The Patriot way is winning, whatever that takes. Catch a few less balls, who cares, still getting paid the same amount.
1st half was sketchy as hell but it was great to see them run the ball like that and what a great play to Lloyd at the end of the game!
Hot damn Tom Brady ! :-o
Quote from: Superfreakie on September 15, 2012, 08:16:14 AM
Quote from: zimbra on September 12, 2012, 03:39:11 PM
With both tight ends on the field constantly and the new RB I was beginning to wonder about the amount of targets he will get. It has only be one week but I was still curious if there was any rumors on the new OC scheme around Welker.
There are simply more weapons on the field now. More schemes opponents have to defend against. One or two players being focus of an offense does not win SB's. Injuries always occur and, as was proven last year, do you really think the Patriots lose the SB if Gronk is healthy? The more the merrier. The Patriot way is winning, whatever that takes. Catch a few less balls, who cares, still getting paid the same amount.
To be completely honest, idc. I just like when Welker catches balls (had him the last two seasons) and Brady throws TD's.
Thought I'd bump this to catch up. Since the last post...
Welker left
Talib left
Mankins traded
Revis in
Chandler Jones was drafted and has beasted
Dante Scarnecchia left
Dante who? The offensive line has sucked since the longtime coach left. Brady looks skittish out there, and has one receiver (Edelman) who can get separation. Gronk is likely never goin to be "100%" ever again. Oh, and Aaron Hernandez is not going to get open anytime soon.
Predicting an 11-5 season and a loss in the divisional round. I'd love for the o line to prove me wrong.
yeah, not looking good. :x
Ruh roh!!!!
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-with-soliciting-prostitution.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-with-soliciting-prostitution.html)
More like New England Pay-for-tits amirite?
Dude that's a multi millionaire doesnt just have someone on staff to give him a happy ending?
Cant believe hes still going to those hole in the wall Asian parlors
Quote from: emay on February 22, 2019, 12:31:30 PM
Dude that's a multi millionaire doesnt just have someone on staff to give him a happy ending?
Cant believe hes still going to those hole in the wall Asian parlors
He got a tip from this guy ->
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that's why they're friends
Quote from: slslbs on February 22, 2019, 01:46:16 PM
that's why they're friends
nah, Donald is more like this:
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